Talk:Potter's House Christian Fellowship/Archive 2

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Editorial Commentary?

It needs to be pointed out, however, that when people are in the midst of abusive relationships - including those perpetrated by churches - they are quite unable to see the truth of their situation. What this means for the Potter's House is that if there is abuse going on, then regular members are unaware of it - even if they are the victims. The fact that many members of the Potter's House are enthusiastic about their faith and happy with their church relationships is therefore not proof that abuse is not occurring. On the other hand, it is also not proof that abuse IS occurring either.

I inserted that paragraph because I wanted to make it clear that the argument "I'm a member of the Potter's House and I haven't seen/experienced any abuse, so therefore abuse doesn't happen" was invalid. The article records that abuse has happened in the church, but, as I found out to my own chagrin, there are people who would use their own personal experiences to try to remove that record. --One Salient Oversight 06:02, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I understand where you're coming from ;-) But even without this paragraph, people are not permitted to insert their own personal experience into the article: the policy of No original research (NOR). I think this paragraph is too much of an opinion/commentary to be included, and we don't need to preempt POV/NOR-violaters in this way. — Matt Crypto 12:48, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No worries, I won't dispute. --One Salient Oversight 01:28, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

OSO Why dont you stick to facts and figures, This is supposed to be an encyclopedia type article not a putdown platform. you do seem to be the only one pushing the cult group barrow, and yet you do not know, nor have you researched the truth. I acknowledge your prowess at article grammatical editing, but rebuke your one sided effort at trying to prove that the Potters house is a cultic and manipulative group. I question your motives in this wikipedia article. Are you putting your emotions before the truth? --Truth over Relationship 13:51, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(sigh, more abuse from the "church") If you can't say anything properly and within the accepted rules of Wikipedia commentary and article debate, then please refrain from making comments. --One Salient Oversight 23:58, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)


===Changes to be made====#

On the article page - somehow these facts should be inserted

Main Points needing correcting or adding.

1/ Potters House is spelt without the apostrophe (Not Potter's but Potters)
2/ The Potters House Christian Fellowship is a world wide Christian Fellowship Organisation. Not Australian only. It was in many other countries earlier.
3/ The Western Australian Perth Beechboro Church is the Australian Mother Church.
4/ The New South Wales Parramatta Church is the East Coast Head Church.
5/ If we include Australia then we should include each country for Head church’s.
6/ There is over 100,000 Regular Church attendees (It is highly unlikely to be exactly 100,000) and there is no membership to the church only regular attendees and persons in ministry.
7/ The Potters House supports all and everyone of its missionaries financially (in most other churches the missionaries themselves have to raise the funds.
8/ The Potters House only sends out Married Couples as Pastors to missionary works.
9/ The Potters House is not into any Charity Type Operations except the winning of souls to Christ.
10/ The Potters House does not send any other type of ministry out into new missionary works except the Pastor and his wife and the occasional Visiting Evangelist for Revival meetings.
11/ The Potters House will not unite with any other churches for the sake of Ecumenicalism under any circumstance.
12/ The Potters House believes wholly in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. And the imminent return of Christ.

If a seasoned article editor would like to attempt these insertions and additions please go for it. If not I will attempt over the next week.

If there is objection or alterations to any changes or additions please list them here. --Truth over Relationship 23:59, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for listing these. (One minor style point is to avoid capitalising things like "Married Couples" or "Charity Type". Good style is to capitalise only proper names and nouns, like "Potters House" or "Christ".) It's also good practice to be able to provide sources for these facts, for example, the number of regular attendees of the church (point 6)? Or for typical church practice (e.g., 8, 9, 10, 11)? Or for church doctrine (12)? If you have sources, these all look fine to me. — Matt Crypto 12:17, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)