Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/2008 March 21

The following discussion is an archived inquiry of the possible unfree image below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section. Deleted - A direct violation of UN rules, see http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/maplib/docs/stsgb132.pdf _→AzaToth 23:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe the Star Trek insignia is under copyright. — Powers ^T 11:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Agree, I think. I have no proof though. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN} ^{tell me a joke...} 18:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Starfleet command emblem.png, which contains a similar symbol, is copyrighted, so you do have a point. The image needs cleanup anyway - would a self-generated look-alike be sufficiently different to spare deletion? If so, I can delete the current revision once the new one is up. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, sorry... _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN} ^{tell me a joke...} 22:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright - I don't dispute that the current version probably should be deleted, but I will try to work on a newer version that hopefully will be acceptable. I'll post it up to have it checked over later tonight before I delete the current version. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

New version uploaded - The new version resembles, but does not duplicate, the Starfleet chevron. It is a self-generated look-alike using basic shapes that does not employ the characteristic curves, slant, or five-pointed star. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Not being an expert, I can't say if the new chevron is sufficiently different to avoid copyright/trademark problems. (Nice work though.) I would suggest that you add a tag to the description page to cover the UN logo. Not sure if that should be {{PD-UN}}, {{insignia}}, or something else, though. Powers ^T 20:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I've added links to the UN flag and {{PD-UN}} - between the two, that should sort that out. I'll go ahead and delete the previous version of the image - if anyone wants to see it, I can e-mail you the old version. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the images's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was moved to April 28 for more discussion time. -Nv8200p talk 14:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:01622200.JPG

Since the image was taken in 1937 it seems very unlikely it was taken by the wikipedian who uploaded it — Million_Moments (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC).

Which copyright law applies? The picture was taken in Munkatch, which was then in Czechoslovakia (which no longer exists), and is now in the Ukraine. Do the laws of Czechoslovakia's successor states apply (and what if they differ?), or is the applicable law that of the country now ruling Munkatch? Does an image's copyright status change if the place where it was taken moves from one country to another?

Then again, I have no idea where the newspaper in which the picture first appeared was published. Perhaps the place where it was published is now in the Czech Republic. Unless the original uploader is still around and can tell us which newspaper he scanned it from, we may never know that.

In any case, if it is Ukraine law that matters, then PD-Ukraine should apply, since the creator is not known. If Czech or Slovak law, then it's Anonymous-EU. Either way it's PD.

And don't discount the possibility that the uploader may in fact be the copyright holder, just as he claims. He could be the original photographer, now in his 90s, or he could be the photographer's heir. -- Zsero (talk) 05:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Munkacs benes.jpg

Image taken to long ago for uploaded to be copyright holder — Million_Moments (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC).

As above, except that the picture may not even have been taken in Munkatch. Did Benes visit Munkach, or did the Minchas Elozor go to Prague to see him? -- Zsero (talk) 05:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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