Talk:Post scarcity

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This article is within the scope of the Economics WikiProject, an effort to create, expand, organize, and improve economics-related articles..
Start	rated as start-Class on the assessment scale
Mid	rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale

Contents 1 Stub 2 Other comments 3 Replacing zero-point energy with fusion 4 Unreferenced 5 In developed societies 6 Edit conflicts with directing traffic to commercial enterprise ?

[edit] Stub

I would like to this article expanded. Although it currently accurately defines what Post Scarcity I think it could be expanded to include more examples and arguments concerning the subject.--Lzygenius 16:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other comments

Why is there a link to Burning Man at the bottom of this? I'm kind of skeptical about the other external links, too... Brianlucas

Might want to add something about Mark Adlard's books, Interface, Pro-Face and Multiface.

It's worth noting that the information about 'Diamond Age' is a major spoiler and gives away a large portion of the plot, if not the entire thrust of it. Had I not already read the book, I'd be pretty pissed off; is there a way to get the idea across without such a spoiler?

I have slightly tweaked it, as I disagree that it is that much of a major spoiler, but no worries. PS: please sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~ Ingolfson 13:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replacing zero-point energy with fusion

I replaced the reference to zero point energy with fusion power as from what is currently known harnessing zero-point energy is not possible. The next best energy source is likely nuclear fusion which is at least known to be theoretically possible (although practically very difficult). - CharlesC 22:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

In fact - look to the sun - fusion is practically possible, and it has been achieved on Earth already. Just not with a output power/input power ratio >1 yet... MadMaxDog 06:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced

(Note: Tag not placed by me)

Hhhmmmp. Any fictional concept by nature will include speculation. The placer of the tag does have the right of it in that we have not cited/referenced anything at the moment. So lets see if we can change this. This may mean that we will have to rewrite sections as referring mostly to fictional treatments of post-scarcity as opposed to a general article. Unless we actually can find notable non-fiction references. MadMaxDog 03:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, I hate these tags so much I did it myself immediately after placing the above notice. Excuse the mess of trying to follow the changes, it turned into a major overhaul. Also, please add more references, if you would. MadMaxDog 04:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job! CharlesC 17:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In developed societies

I would but havent put a mention that some highly developed societies are embracing "piracy", that is the treatement of digital objects eg.g mp3s, as non-scarce (which they are) and ignoring any "price" that has been put on them, even though there is no scarcity to manage economically.

That's Sweden, by the way HDI 2008: 6th, and their Pirate Party and Bay.--81.105.243.17 (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit conflicts with directing traffic to commercial enterprise ?

Hibernian (Ross Murphy) you are removing links to Technocracy Incorporated and leaving links to a NET related page Technocracy movement. This would seem like a conflict of interest and an effort to present one view of Technocracy issues only. You are also a user of the Network of European Technocrats website and the Director of that group Andrew Wallace (Isenhand wiki editor here) formed a team to control the wikipedia articles regarding Technocracy issues. http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=63&func=view&catid=7&id=853#1399 Network of European Technocrats - Re:"War" on Wikipedia over Technocracy I - N.E.T. Forum. Also as a registered used on Network of European Technocrats it would appear that you are in a conflict of interest by directing traffic to a commercial site http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=85&Itemid=65 Network of European Technocrats - Ross Murphy of which you are a participant. That site publishes only self published material that is not peer reviewed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest Wikipedia:Conflict of interest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

It also tries to direct people to buy a book by another wikipedia editor here Isenhand or Dr. Andrew Wallace http://www.lulu.com/content/750510 Technocracy: Building a new sustainable society for a post carbon world by Andrew Wallace (Book) in Engineering. That book and other commercial products (calenders and music C.D.'s were designed as a profit mechanism for NET or Network of European Technocrats.

Here is another example of Andrew Wallace Director of Network of European Technocrats writing a review under his wikipedia name (Isenhand) on a website and making it look as though he is reviewing the book by Andrew Wallace - He is reviewing his own book under a false guise then http://www.sustainabilityblog.org/ SustainabilityBlog.Org If interested parties scroll down a bit they will see this conflict of interest also. skip sievert (talk) 15:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)