Talk:Post-postmodernism

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"The time must come when both Modernism and Postmodernism are replaced by more specific names."

Umm... no it musn't.

If there is no replacement then we are forced to live under these contradicting paradigms that continue to battle each other today. By defining the qualities that better represent our age we will be empowered and active participants in our own beliefs.

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[edit] bilge sake

this article is shocking I havent learnt what post postmodernism is all about, it has one line stating it in a stupid quote. This post modern article needs to be modernised for the sake of the purpose of wikipedia.

Now shut up with the showing off of quotes and write about this bilgin theory so people can understand what the hell its about.

what a waste of time............

If you were trying to make a point, I'm sorry you didn't. In order to discredit someonelse's theory you better come with better ones. Watch your language.--Diego 14:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Post-postmodernism is actually a pretty simple idea. It says "Postmodernism is a real load of crap, but it did have some interesting ideas, so let's keep those that we like and incorporate them into a new version of modernism." — NRen2k5(TALK), 04:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] criticism could be broader

The article currently includes two quotes from one critic who basically considers it a useless attempt to save postmodernism by stapling another prefix onto a pile of gibberish. While this is certainly one criticism, it's not the only one, or even all that interesting, since it's basically an extension of the criticisms of postmodernism, which are better covered there (with a brief mention here that the critics of postmodernism, especially in its academic guises, have generally the same opinion of post-postmodernism).

Somewhat more interesting would be coverage of people who either broadly defend the postmodernist project and consider post-postmodernism therefore unnecessary, or those who think some reaction is necessary but not this one. It'd also be nice if it focused more on the ideas rather than the term; there are disagreements over both, but we seem to mainly focus on the term.

Unfortunately I don't actually know enough about the above to write any of this. I just thought I'd note the things I was looking for in this article that I didn't find, in case anyone knowledgeable can expand it. --Delirium (talk) 22:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nathan Barley quote

Taken this excerpt from an article about the Charlie Brooker scripted television programme Nathan Barley and wanted to propose it's inclusion...

Nathan Barley asks, ‘where do we turn, post-postmodernism?’, when we are all self-referenced out? Where do we turn when not only are all values bought and sold, but the observation that all values are bought and sold, are bought and sold?

source - http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/russellhope/entry/rise_of_the/ 92.236.96.124 (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Erasmus quote

Please take a look at "Beyond Postmodernism" to see another perspective on this topic


[edit] Dubious assertion

"the dominant cultural force well into the mid-twentieth century" - This is not substantiated. While I'd guess it's true for (what used to be called) high-brow culture in Europe and North America, that by itself hardly would warrant htis bald statement. Kdammers (talk) 11:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Explication of the self-evident

Both modernism and postmodernism are conventionally defined in terms of Western high culture (in its interactions with popular culture as well as with non-Western cultures) and it seems hardly necessary to reiterate this.

--Hastrman (talk) 04:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree. It is especially a problem or issue when talking about post-modernism, which works to break down the divisions -- as You state. Kdammers (talk) 13:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
A postmodernist would certainly refer to an irreducible plurality of decentered "others" to undermine dominant terms like "Western," "epoch," "dominant," "history," etc. However, I feel that an article about post-postmodernism must necessarily argue in the historicist terms alien to postmodernism (which has no way of explaining what comes after it in its own terms). It also might be more appropriate to discuss (or pursue) the postmodern deconstruction of Western high culture in the context of articles on postcolonialism or postmodernism itself. --Hastrman (talk) 06:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)