Talk:Portmeirion

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[edit] Copyright status?

Some of the text in the main page appears to be lifted from the official Portmeirion website's descriptions. The Portmeirion website claims (c) 2002.

Perhaps you could flag up which text you feel this is? I can't see much of a similarity myself.Ghughesarch 10:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Villages in Wales

A recent editor added the category "Villages in Wales" to this article.

While there's some ironic truth to the idea that Portmeirion is "The Village", I'm not sure it counts as a real village. It isn't a political entity, after all, just a commercial establishment within Minffordd.

Should this categorization remain?

Atlant 16:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Was there anything there before William-Ellis got involved? There were houses there, I would say its a village. AHEMSLTD 12:11, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure there were houses on the property? (Yes, the village of Minffordd was and still is nearby, but I mean right on the property that became Portmeirion. It's pretty desolate on the eastern side of the property, so they would have had to have been in the heart of the development.)

Atlant 12:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Afraid my "Where" became a "There" thanks to my typing, I was asking IF there were houses before. I agree that it is a desolate area especially before the Slate trade and the 'Cob'. It would not surprise me if William-Ellis had demolished or adapted a few old buildings as part of his 'Development'. AHEMSLTD 18:59, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

The main building of the hotel, and the cottages called "White Horses", "Mermaid" and "The Salutation" existed before Williams-Ellis got involved, hvaing been a private estate called Aber Ia, developed in the 1850s, itself on the site of a foundry and boatyard which was active in the late 18th century. There is the site (and very minor remains) of a mediaeval castle (known variously as Castell Deudraeth, Castell Gwain Goch and Castell Aber Iau) in the woods just outside the vllage proper, recorded by Giraldus Cambrensis (Gerald of Wales) in 1188.

Whatever was there before was not called Portmeirion; this name was applied to the place by Williams-Ellis. Therefore — this being an article about Portmeirion — the location of a village on the site before Portmeirion is irrelevant (the only recorded thing there anyway was a private estate, not a village), and Portmeirion is not now nor has it been a village. It's a hotel. I have changed the "Villages in Gwinnedd" category to simply "Gwinnedd". 12.22.250.4 17:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, anonymous poster, this is an article about Portmeirion. However, the previous history of the site is relevant to Portmeirion (since elements of the previous developments on the site still survive). Contrary to your poor information, there are records of a settlement of some sort there before the site became a private estate in the 1840s. Presumably you'd want the article on the English city of York, say, to omit all reference to its pre-mediaeval history because the Romans and the Vikings called it different names? You would have to define village in a very odd way to insist that Portmeirion isn't one. The fact that it's run as a combination of hotel rooms and self-catering cottages doesn't stop it being a small, coherent, group of predominantly residential buildings in the countryside, which is what a village is. Oh, and it's Gwynedd, not Gwinnedd

Gareth (Ghughesarch)

[edit] The Green Dome.

I have removed the reference to this building being 'virtually unchanged' again. This is because it had a green roof in the Prisoner series, and was referred to as 'The green dome', this was it's most important feature in the series. As it now has a grey lead roof it is very different, and no longer 'the green dome'. It is certainly not 'virtually unchanged'. Before reverting again please discuss here. Alexander-Scott 09:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps take out the "such as the "Stone Boat"" and leave the sentence as "many of the locations used in The Prisoner are virtually unchanged from the series." Giving specific examples, to me, creates an impression that some (much?) of Portmeirion has changed a lot since the series was made, which isn't particularly the case.

Ghughesarch 12:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The big change, of course, is that the "helicopter lawn" is now a swimming pool.

Atlant 12:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)