Talk:Port of Antwerp

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Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 01:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 Statistics 2 Misc. Other Matters 3 Names 4 use of pictures

[edit] Statistics

Depending on the year the Port of Antwerp places itself fifth or sixth in world rankings The AAPA statistics puts Antwerp seventeenth. There is obviously some kind of conflict. Is this based on a wilful denial of the difference between metric tonnes and short tons, or does the AAPA use a different definition of what is a port? Augusta2 (talk) 22:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It is somewhat misleading to state that Antwerp is the third container port in the range, when it is in fact second port in the range in terms of overall tonnage. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 00:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Antwerp is the second-largest European port by cargo volume, if you use the 2005 AAPA figures here. It's the third-largest container port in Europe in both 2005 (AAPA figures) and 2007 (Lloyd's List), but containers are only a subset of cargo volume so this is a less useful statistic.

Perhaps we should use cargo volume in the lead section and move the container figures to the "port layout" section. I'll have a hunt around for some 2007 cargo volume data and see what can be found. Euryalus (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misc. Other Matters

Some information given on the Antwerp page could be repeated here.

It might interesting to list the names of the docks and their construction date.

A description of the word "Natie" could be provided.

Some details of post-war development policy might be given: switch from the use of equipment owned by the municipality to private owners, dedicated berths, etc.

Role as NATO port

Centrality index and arguments

Iron Rhine discussion

Some words about dockworkers and labour organization

Augusta2 (talk) 22:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Names

Berendrecht Lock or the Berendrecht Lock? I prefer "the Berendrecht lock" as "Berendrecht" is not sufficiently familiar to English speakers to be used as a fixed expression. I realize that opinions may differ in this connection. But would also like to ask you to think about Kallo Lock, Van Cauwelaert Lock, Boudewijn Lock, and Royers Lock. In all these cases I think that the use of the definite article would be more appropriate. I will concede that Churchill Dock, Delwaide Dock, Marshall Dock, Amerika Dock might better without the article. But would one write B1 Canal Dock or the B1 Canal Dock? Augusta2 (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Other structures: London Bridge and Tower Bridge, but The Firth of Forth Bridge, The Menai Suspension Bridge, and The Tahoma Narrows Bridge, the St Laurence Seaway, but Plougastel Bridge, and finally the Suez Canal and the Panama Canal. Augusta2 (talk) 21:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] use of pictures

Wikifalcon: I'm not going to revert your edit of the picture size immediately because I understand why you have done it. However, I think the picture is so small in its current format as to be virtually useless. I would like to remove two of the existing pictures because they do not really contribute anything to an understanding of the port, particularly as I cannot identify with certainty where they have been taken. (I think that it's a view overlooking the Amerika Dock, with the Westerlund kaolin installations in the background, but I can't be sure). Also Wikifalcon I don't like your edit of "remember etc." to "notice". The latter is in my opinion far too minatory. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hay, maybe you could put the "useless" pictures, the ones that have a more "decorative" function, into an image gallery at the bottom of the article... Then you could enlarge that one image again, because I think a wrapper won't be necessary anymore.

I also changed that "remember ... !" because it wasn't very encyclopedic IMHO. Especially the exclamation mark. "Notice" is more neutral. Gr, Wikifalcon (talk) 20:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Wikifalcon: Good idea to move the decorative piccies to the bottom of the page. I'll try and rephrase the remember 'cos I still think notice is too minatory. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 23:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)