Talk:Port Credit, Ontario
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Is it appropriate to reference the book (lacking citation) in the introduction? Doesn't seem very encyclopedic. User:Blairco
I have lived in Port Credit for 29 years and have absorbed the history while talking to neighbours and reading the books they have recommended.
George TheCar 19:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Boundaries
I've seen the words Canadian National Railway tracks replaced by Queen Elizabeth Way; is there a reason for this?
- --If the present Mississauga "Community" consideres itself as that area; note it. However, the CN tracks were the limits of the former town, even though folks north of the tracks had a "Port Credit" Mailing address
- --it was edited out recently, that Port Credit Secondary School (which at present is "Uncategorized"; after I'll post this it won't be an "orphan"!) was never in Port Credit, proper....
Any further input?? Bacl-presby 18:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- BTW--I should note after revising this again, there is a three-revision limit to such postings.
Any further discussion before a block is put on the article? Bacl-presby 21:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- The township of Port Credit's northern most boundary was the QEW. In 1974 Port Credit was incorporated into the City of Mississauga. However we still identify Port Credit. I have lived in Port Credit for 40 years so I know Port Credit and its history and boundaries very well well. --Johnpurves 21:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Port Credit Secondary School is in Port Credit and always has been in Port Credit which is why it is called Port Credit Secondary School.
- The reason that folks living north between the CNR and the QEW have a Port Credit address is because they live in Port Credit. I know this as a former employee of Canada Post. --Johnpurves 21:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- I would ask you not to change the northen boundary of Port Credit because you are wrong, thanks.--Johnpurves 21:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on demonstrated fact and not conjecture or vague memories.
The fact is that on maps provided by the City of Mississauga (http://www6.mississauga.ca/onlinemaps/tranwork/design/html/stguide/Z07surr.htm and http://www6.mississauga.ca/onlinemaps/tranwork/design/html/stguide/z08surr.htm) the boundaries of Port Credit are defined by Seneca Street, the Adamson Estate on the east, the Canadian National Railway on the north, Godfrey's Lane and Shawnmarr Road to the west and the lake to the south. Further current direct evidence exists in the position of three signs saying "Welcome to Port Credit", one is located just west of Seneca Street on the north side of Lakeshore, one on the eastern edge of Rhodendren Park on the south side of Lakeshore Road and the third one is on the west side of Hurontario just before the rail tracks as one enters Port Credit.
There exisits a Port Credit RatePayers Association whose bylaws reflect those boundaries. There also a ratepayers association called the Credit Reserve Assocaition whose web site notes their boundaries. (http://www.credit-reserve.com/about%20us.htm)
The City of Mississauga recognizes both groups and their boundaries.
Based on the above facts I am going to edit the entry and ask that it not be changed without consensus and more objective refernces than something that was a conveience for the Post Office prior to the introduction of postal codes.
GeorgeTheCar 04:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)GeorgeTheCar 04:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you George......
BTW, when it comes to references, why hasn't Betty Clarkson's book been cited? Bacl-presby 23:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
None of your maps show Port Credit's boundaries.--Johnpurves 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC) The PCVRA has nothing to do with Port Credit's boundaries. It was formed in the early 90's decades after Port Credit was formed as village and then as a town. I have lived in Port Credit for 40 years and my family has been here for a few generations. My memories aren't vague they are exact. The township of Port Credit's northern boundary was and is the [Queen Elizabeth Way]--Johnpurves 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC) Canada Post uses the township of Port Credit's boundaries in sorting its mail. It recognises the [Queen Elizabeth Way] as Port Credit's northern boundary.--Johnpurves 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC) [Port Credit Secondary School] is on Mineola Road. Why did the school board place it here? Because it is in Port Credit.--Johnpurves 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC) As you didn't live in the village of Port Credit or the township of Port Credit before it was amalgamated into the City of Mississauga in 1974 I would ask you not to change the boundary.--Johnpurves 03:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
John Purves, I will not play your silly game of mindlessly changing the words of the boundaries. I will challenge you to provide an objective reference, something beyond your conjecture, to suggest that the boundares are other than demarketed by the signs laced on the major roads.
I will endeavour get more information from the city and then we will ask for arbitration from Wikipedia. The availability of land for buidling schools and the convenience of the Post Office does not constitute definitive references for the boundaries. This is not Christmas Eve and we are not on 42nd Ave GeorgeTheCar 04:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)George ThecarGeorgeTheCar 04:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
John Purves please note
Here is the city map for the planning dictrict of Port Credit.[[1]]
This city map is very clear. The boundaries cited the same as posted by myself.
John, once again I don;t care what you believe, Wikippedia is for demonstrated fact.
Provide some or go away!
George TheCarGeorgeTheCar 04:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I have provide demonstrated fact. One federal agency Canada Post recognises Port Credit's northern boundary as the [Queen Elizabeth Way]. Why is this revelant? Because Canada Post routed Port Credit's mail long before the City of Mississauga existed. Each piece of mail was routed to the appropriate postal station for the people in that village or township. If Port Credit's northern boundary was the CNR, Canada Post would never have routed mail for people north of the CNR to Port Credit postal station. --Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Port Credit's Secondary School is north of the CNR. When the high school was built there was a proliferation of land available south of the CNR. The high school was built by the Ministry of Education in Port Credit prior to formation of the City of Mississauga. This provincial agency recongised that Port Credit exists north of the CNR.--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Ontario Provincial Police's Port Credit station is located on the South Service Road just south of the [Queen Elizabeth Way]. It was also built prior to the City of Mississauga's formation when land was readily available & cheaply available south of the CNR. That is another Government agency that recognises that Port Credit's northern boundary is the [Queen Elizabeth Way]--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The above are three Government agencies who recognise Port Credit's northern boundary as the [Queen Elizabeth Way]. This is verifiable fact.--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
One of the word's most successful companies, Google, recognises Port Credit's northern boundary as the [Queen Elizabeth Way]. Just go to Google maps and put in 1600 Hurontario, Port Credit, Ontario--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
McDonald's Restaurant's had a restaurant just south of the [Queen Elizabeth Way] on the east side of Hurontario. That restaurant was considered its Port Credit franchise. --Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Gold Book which produces local business directories considers Port Credit's northern boundary to be the [Queen Elizabeth Way]--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Why do Government agencies and mulitinational companies consider the [Queen Elizabeth Way] to be the northern boundary to Port Credit? Because it is.--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
What you don't seem to appreciate is those of us whose families have been in Port Credit for generations remember Port Credit before there was a City of Mississauga. Back when the TTC use to service Port Credit. We know what the township of Port Credit's boundaries are.--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I have submitted solid & verifiable fact, so George learn your history or go away.--Johnpurves 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Boundary Edit
As I said that I would, I have consulted the city of Mississauga and below place the response with references to two different maps from two different departments.
One
http://www.mississauga.ca/file/COM/mpdist.swf
Just click on Port Credit, and you will be taken to the District Policies Land Use map, which shows the boundaries. I hope this will address your needs; if not please do not hesitate to contact me .
Ron Miller, M.E.S., MCIP, RPP Acting Manager, Long Range Planning Planning and Building Department
Two
The Port Credit Land Use Map (http://www6.mississauga.ca/onlinemaps/planbldg/missplan/portcred.pdf) provided by the City of Mississauga describes the boundaries of Port Credit as Seneca Street and the Adamson Estate on the east, the Canadian National Railway on the north, Godfrey's Lane and Shawnmarr Road to the west and the lake to the south. Sincerely, Gary Sumpter
Public Service Supervisor Arts & History Dept.
Please undertand that many people make references to the most visbile local landmarks and others take that folklore and present it as fact. You have presented some quaint anecdotal evidence but it is not documented fact from a reputable source.
Note also all my references to the Village of Port Credit. I have noted in reading that you refer to the Township of Port Credit. You may chose to document the Township of Port Credit but please differentiate between the two entities.
I have re-edited the boundaries and will alert Wikipedia and ask for arbitration if they are subsequently edited without documented fact.
GeorgeTheCar 23:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)GeorgeTheCar
Today I spoke with John Keyser, the chair of the Committe of Adjustment and he confirmed the legal boundaries of Port Credit.
GeorgeTheCar 00:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)GeorgeTheCar
