Talk:Pontiac GTO
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[edit] 2009
The '08 GTO is going to be the Pontiac G8. No name change. The Firebird isn't going to be coming out in at least 3 years (if so).
1:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tri-Power/Tri Power
Is Tri-Power spelled with a dash or without one? Because both appear in the article, with and without a dash.
68.61.181.155 21:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
No, don't merge it, get rid of the smaller. It's poorly written especially compared to the larger article and makes some incorrect assertions (such as rushing features into 04' production and future production possibilities).
Yes, merge the Pontiac gto into Pontiac GTO or just redirect because the gto is just rehashing everything that the main GTO article covers. Either get rid of it or merge it in. KLRMNKY 01:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- I've turned it into a redirect. A quick glance showed content that wasn't as good as here. Anyone that wants to dig thru it and use whatever was there is able to do so. Friday (talk) 01:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the whole 2004 section is full of weasel wording too. Best to cite some reviews for the critism of the vehicle if the detractions are to stay. --Decromin 16:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The '04-'06 GTO was not cancelled because of poor sales, it was ended because GM/Holden wanted to shift the production lines to build Zeta type cars. Also, when it was initially decided to build the GTO, it was determined to only run it for a maximum of 3 years since this is the time allowed to build within to avoid having to run numerous crash and safety tests. Also, continuing on, the aged Cattera (late 90's Cadillac frame) that the GTO is build upon was replaced by the CTS and is deemed bulky and heavy as compared to modern automtove chassis. 65.166.103.203 05:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)From a guy that actually owns and works on modern GTO's and knows what he is talking about.
[edit] 1974 power/weight ratio
- I removed an unsourced claim about a "record power to weight ratio" for the 1974 GTO. Since the weight was something like 80 percent of its predecessor's weight, and the horsepower was something like 50 percent of the actual (not advertised) power of its predecessor, this couldn't be true even among GTOs, before one even considers the AC Cobra or Lotus Super Seven. I'll check the edit history to see if this was just a hoax by an anon, as the poor spelling of the deleted sentence suggests. Barno 21:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I say drop the other page.
[edit] Holden Monaro
Can you get Holden Monaro parts from Austraila and replace the current Pontiac GTO parts with them transforming it into a Holden Monaro? 209.137.173.69 20:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think it might be possible; the only problem would be some interior parts, since the Monaro was only produced in right-hand drive while the GTO was, of course, produced in left-hand drive. --ApolloBoy 04:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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- And the GTO logo is stitched into the seats, which would recquire restitching. I have actually seen one, with new fascias front and rear. It can be done, there will still be places where the GTO logo will be visible. Bok269 23:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reasons to not Merge
This car only holds the namesake GTO, it is a travesty to include this model with the likes of a car that was argueably the original American Muscle Car. Rather, if anything, the page should be merged with the Monaro as it holds no deserving merit except for holding the same name as the GTO, nothing else, no similar body lines or looks. John DeLorean is rolling in his grave knowing this car holds the name GTO. The concept car has a greater likeness. I take offense to the fact the car holds the name GTO, and I'm a Ford man! Cobrapete 19:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I've gone over the articles it looks like the information could be merged into both the GTO and Monaro articles. Either way it looks like a good candidate for merger in my opinion. - Diceman 05:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reasons for Merger
I suggested the Merger because the Pontiac GTO (2004) article contains info already mentioned here, and goes beyond the 2004 generation. Other 1 generation car articles only have that one generation. I apologize if I didn't go about this the right way; I am new to Wikipedia. Bok269 23:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, keep it all on one page. clever curmudgeon 03:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, since many vehicles have articles for each generation, why not remove the platform for the new vehicle and move it to a new page? Bok269 01:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree: merge. Or, more precisely, eliminate the GTO (2004) page and fold what is of value in it (not much) into the GTO page. I seem to pretty much agree with most other posters.
And somebody fix the internal links, too. I just fixed several but ran out of patience. --Deaconse 02:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Song
There was a popular song about the Pontiac GTO. It was called "GTO" or "Little GTO" or something.
I'm surprised nobody added it before me. It was called "Little GTO" and was done by Ronny and the Daytonas. They were a pretty good Beach Boys-esque surf/hot rod quartet. I'd suggest anyone reading this should have a listen. Now I have that "wah wah wah wah wah wah wah" part from Little GTO stuck in my head. 67.8.128.66 18:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- I still don't believe his GTO was beating the gassers and the rail jobs. Gzuckier 19:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
i do not have the book in front but some of the informatio about the 66 and 67 gto is to the best of my knoledge incorrect. My source is a book written in the eighties ( the big little GTO book) and from archive information available for a fee from the pontiac archives which are now privately held i think. Send them your VIN, a fee, and they will send you all info on your exact car that is available. Anyway 1. the engine change from 66 to 67 was prompted by the first ever federal emmisions law that required a closed circuit Positive crankcase ventilation system for internal crankcase gases. The 389 usd and drop yube style breather dumping oil and combustion gases that passed the ring out the side of the block and onto the ground, in a closed system which all us automakers had to switch to which is what prompted the chang in block designs and in the engines that were offered. 2. the 67 was the only year that offered as its only model not an option, your posting says it was the 66. 3. the automatics withe dual gate shifter was commonly refered to as a "His and Hers", "D" for her and manual shifting for him. 4. the underrating of stated horsepower numbers was driven by to factors, i am not an trained expert but i do own a 67 four speed close ratio covertable generally considred the most desirable of all the second gen goats and have been very interested and "on the inside of the muscle car scene" for twenty years my understand is that as the horspower wars started to rage out of control in detroit; mostly between ford and chevy on the front page and chevy and pontiac internally at GM John Delorean was fastly making a name for himself. at at that time the major manufacurer beleived in the mantra win in sunday sell on monday.
[edit] actual homologation
I swear i remember some article in the magazines at the time that somebody at GM went through the steps to actually homologate the original GTO under FIA rules, and somebody ended up taking it to Le Mans (I think)... can't find any kind of reference on google, though. Grr. it would spice up the article. Gzuckier 18:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Different Track Times
Just commenting on the quarter mile times, they seem real slow. I know a guy thats had 6 GTOs and he took a few to the track and one of his bone stock 1967 GTOs with a 389 4 speed did low 13s on crappy tires and pump gas.
[edit] Name change to Firebird??
I realize that the entire section on the 2009 GTO is speculative, but the bit about it possibly changing its name to Firebird is beyond speculative and something I've only seen as a few bloggers' opinions on what they think the new vehicle should be. --Mary quite contrary (hai?) 22:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 05 Pontiac Literature
Corrected a mistake with the quarter mile times. Pontiac quotes the 05 GTO at 13.0 secs at 109 mph. not 13.5 seconds... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.13.143.170 (talk) 06:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Commodore is not based on Omega chassis (Catera)
Reference to Caddillac Catera Chassis is incorrect. Commodore chassis is significantly different to Omega (Caddillac Catera).
quote from LS1GTO.com from Australian user who is expert in history of commodore:
"...Then in 1994 Opel brought out the brand new Omega B (below top) that replaced both the Record and Senator models and ended the inline 6 engines for Opel, using a new V6 and I4 engines (It was also sold in the US as the Cadillac Catera). Again Holden decided to save money by using the wind tunnel tested and developed ‘shape’ of the new Opel. But it again had to widen it. This resulted in the new 1997 VT Commodore using a stylized copy of the now 3 year old Opel Omega. But again locally designed suspension and other locally sourced parts had to carry over into the new design. Again, only the doors were to be shared with the Opel, as well as a strengthened and modified copy of it’s independent rear suspension (which had been reengineered into a unique Holden version during the previous body) was used. However, as the body team worked on the style of the new VT Commodore (from which the Monaro/GTO was later engineered), even the rear door skins and glass were reshaped and so only the front doors were common with the Opel Omega B/Cadillac Catera. And of course the Holden Commodore now used the Buick 3.8 pushrod motor (with and without supercharger) and the Chevy Corvette LS1 engines matched to locally designed and sourced drivetrains and brakes etc. This also required a totally unique floorpan and framework than the narrower and lighter Opel/Catera.
To reaffirm that the Commodore and Omega are two different engineering products you can visually see that the Commodore is a much wider and bigger vehicle than the Omega. And look at things like the roof of each below. Note that the Omega’s roof is a single pressing while the Commodore has a three-piece pressing. Given that the passenger cell is a major frame component in a monocoque design - this is a significant difference on it’s own. But also follow the carriage line under the side windows forward to where they intersect the front. Note how this virtually straight line sweeps over the top of the Omega headlights yet intersects the side blinkers on the Commodore. And the bonnet shut lines on the Commodore are more inboard than the Omega’s. This is because the entire shape of the front and even the substructure in the Commodore are different And underneath is even more different. A car needing to carry a heavy 5.7 LS1 has to have a different frame from a vehicle that’s heaviest engine is a 3.0 V6..."
