Talk:Pomp and Circumstance Marches
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I'm not sure whether or not this page should even be here - most (if not all) of the relevent information is covered in teh article on Elgar himself (including more detailed information on composition and movements).
I'm not sure if I should remove it or not though - I'm quite new at this game -- Sarcas
- It is at least badly named, because there are five Pomp and Circumstance Marches, so either this should be called Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 or it should be called Pomp and Circumstance Marches. There's nothing wrong with an article on the piece(s) in principle, but as you say there's not a lot here right now. I don't have time to fix this at the moment, but my inclination would be to rename, but not remove. --Camembert
- I added some material on marches 2-5 before I checked with this discussion page. So the duplication with the Elgar article, while still too much, isn't so bad. I agree it should be moved to "Pomp and Circumstance Marches". Maybe one day there will be reason to write an article on "Pomp and Circumstance" (the concept itself). OK, I'll do that (I'll have done it by the time you read this) and will fix the links. But I do wonder if all the stuff about the graduation uses of No. 1 deserves its own article. David Brooks 06:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- One can try. Elgar disliked (or loathed if you watch Ken Russell) hearing LOHAG everywhere he went. The Prommers sing it lustily every Last Night with a full understanding of the irony of lost Empire (well, I did in the late 60's). "Gosh, Billy, I've a tune in my head" and "I've got a tune that will knock 'em - knock 'em flat" highlighting E's self-confidence. OK, I agree that's not enough for an article. I think a link to elgar.org will substitute for all that. http://www.elgar.org/3pomp.htm; what do you think? David Brooks 07:11, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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Could perhaps someone step in and write a little on the phrase "pomp and circumstance"? I found this page while looking for a good description of that saying. I didn't even realise that it meant something other than what I thought was its common use. -- i.e. "flashyness". I'd be bold and do it myself, but I'm really lacking in understanding the phrase. If someone pokes me in a few months I'll probably do it then if in the mood to restructure this and its related topics. -- Sy 01:18, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- As you probably realized, it doesn't mean flashy at all. Pomp (very different from pomposity) means solemn ceremony. Any flashiness is seondary. The whole idea is rooted in Victorian confidence in the importance of the institutions, empire, and ritual. Give it a shot and see if it can be done without unbalancing the article even more. David Brooks 06:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I wonder if the external link is necessary. Could it be removed? --Hannu 10:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
"The March in popular culture" section is misnamed, and almost all of the items in the section do not specify which of the five marches are referred to. Very confusing; needs to be changed.
