Template talk:Politics of Iran

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Someone continually changes the political affiliation of the National Front of Iran (listed in the National Front's wikipedia entry) to "Communist", and the National Front was never Communist nor were any of its constituent parties. Due to the realities of Iranian history and especially the coup of 1953, for which Madeleine Albright even apologized to the people of Iran (link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0004/19/i_ins.00.html). While this may not be uncommon on wikipedia, this amounts to a campaign of malicious, politically-motivated misinformation that cannot be allowed to stand. There is zero factual backing for the assertion that the National Front was Communist, though that was the main justification provided by British Intelligence and the CIA to convince the Eisenhower Administration to support the coup that it may have gone forward. There was no proof of that then, and there is no proof now, though some ossified Cold Warriors and pro-Shah extremists may cover up the facts now (as they did then) to ease their own tired consciences. However, it is an insult to the memory of Iranian pro-democracy leaders, including Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, who for better or worse sacrificed their lives and their livelihoods to bring liberty and dignity to the people of Iran, and it is an insult to Iranians at large that these lies may be permitted to stand. Furthermore, it is an abuse of the admirable experiment in adhocracy which wikipedia has become, and such deliberate campaigns spreading historical falsehoods and outright lies are despicable.

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[edit] some changes

This template is becoming too irrelevant and complicated. I removed:

  • Government of Iran for its proposed merger with Politics of Iran
  • Older Elections as they can be accessed using elections article
  • Iran international crisis, its neutrality is disputed and belongs to foreign relations article, please don't put every thing about iran in this template
  • I also moved City and Village Councils to the second (legislative) section per constitutional work

see: Politics of present-day nations and states for framework --Gerash77 00:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there any standard or guidance for Politics of... series about what should and should not be included? I have seen plenty of variations myself for different countries. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


I don't think it makes sense to suppress the link to Iran international crisis. Everybody looks at the current crisis and it would not help ordinary readers not to have it in "Politics of Iran". It is definitely an important part of Iran politics. Alain10 22:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
As I mentioned before see: Politics of present-day nations and states for framework. The template is about political system of Iran. You may however put your article in foreign relations section.
Again, the template is about political system of Iran. Stop the edit war.--Gerash77 10:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way, I have to thank you for finally deciding to respond and discuss the matters after days of revert wars!--Gerash77 10:36, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I've had a look at Politics of present-day nations and states and I can't see any framework there about what should or should not be included in this template. Could you clarify what you're referring to? Thanks AndrewRT(Talk) 15:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
He has written a POV article with a NEO title, which has caused significant problems of edits and tag wars since the first day. Then he is trying to spread his POV by including his article, in a template about political system of Iran. And if that wasn't enough, he has somehow has managed to figure out that I asked an admin (that would be you!) to "send him warnings": Talk:Iran_international_crisis#A_problem_concerning_a_template, and he is asking on his article's talk page on how to "fight me"!
I think I am losing it!! WP:BITEWP:BITE
Regarding whether what can be included in politics templates, it is normally the overall system of government. However, even if the nuclear dispute is to be included in the template, we have enough well written articles about that, and putting what seems to be a very controversial article, would be challenged.--Gerash77 20:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
First I am not an admin, but User:Arjun01 who protected the page is and I am an experienced editor. Alain01 is mistaken and his comments on fighting are completely inappropriate. In respect of this template, you also deleted some other links (on older elections) at the same time which I had previously added, and I would like to have a broader discussion on what should and should not be in this template. If your problem with Iran international crisis being NPOV then please state this - that wasn't apparent from your previous edits. AndrewRT(Talk) 11:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I am aware of your status, and Arjun's who took the time to block this template after my report.
  • I don't see why elections from 1997-2006 was included on the template. You can access these elections from election template and pages. Please explain why should we make this template longer than it is, to include a decade old election results which is accessible from election page included in the template.
  • We can come to an agreement regarding each issue on the template, but there is no doubt in my mind that aside from Alain, others wouldn't mind excluding his POV article from the template.--Gerash77 12:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I have protected the template due to Revert warring. Please discuss changes now rather than constantly undoing others edits. ~ Arjun 14:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks AndrewRT(Talk) 15:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The person responsible for this edit war is Gerash77. It is very simple: the link to Iran international crisis was there since 24 December 2006 and it wasn't an issue for anybody. Then suddenly, a person, Gerash77, decides to get rid of it without any explanation. He is the guy violating all wiki etiquette. Alain10 19:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Iran international crisis

The template about politics of Iran must provide a link to the current crisis with Iran. There is an article about it, which is Iran international crisis. This link was well accepted by everybody since 24 December 2006. Gerash77 has alone, without any discussion or explanation, decided to suppress this link. This is not acceptable. Alain10 19:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The version should stay as it was until 24 December 2006 and the suppression or not of the link to Iran international crisis should be discussed here before any edit war. Alain10 19:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

On top of that, there is also something which is not proper. On 9 February 2007, Gerash77 suppressed the link for the first time and did it as a minor edit. Obviously, it was not a minor edit. Alain10 19:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

As it says on the protection template " Protection is not an endorsement of the current version ". There is no status quo ante bellum policy on wikipedia! We need to come to a consensus first and then unprotect and amend. Please explan why this article relates to domestic Iranian politics (which is what this template is about). It appears to me to be more about international relations. AndrewRT(Talk) 15:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Just to add to the above comment, the "crisis" is not referred to at all by the article Politics of Iran. This adds to my view that this article should not be included here, on the grounds that it does not concern domestic Iranian politics. AndrewRT(Talk) 15:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
So why is there a link to "Foreign relations of Iran"? Alain10 22:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
After having done what you did, suppressing a link and protecting the page, without any debate, I am chocked to see that you still don't want to discuss. Could you please answer my question? Alain10 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You make a good point about Foreign relations. Having looked at some of the other templates for other countries I can't find any that refer to any particular international relations issue, but all refer to the general Foreign Relations of... article as a matter of course. Unless you can point to another example in another country's template I would suggest it is kept to the one external relations article - Foreign Relations of Iran - in this template. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
As I first explained on February 9, we shouldn't include every article about Iran in this template. You want to include that article, but then where should we draw the line? What if another Wikipedian wants to include 2 or 3 other articles, and another... So you see where this leads us. I understand that you are very emotional with regards to the article that you spent time writing, but these sort of templates are supposed to be concise, outlining a very general prospective of the system. However, seeing your sentimentality, please feel free to put a
See also: Current international disputes with Iran
anywhere on foreign relations section, even on top of the page, if others don't mind.--Gerash77 22:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a link between current events related to Iran and Iran politics. Therefore readers of the template should know how to go to what they may have in mind. Alain10 21:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That's your idea. Please feel free to do whatever you want to your country's political template. Add soccer matches, wine selections, local riots and relations with Ecuador, etc. But stop vandalizing Iranian templates.--Gerash77 06:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
What you say is pure insults: I am not vandalising anything!Alain10 21:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elections

I agree that not every election should be included. However, I think the last parliamentary and presidential elections definitely should be included. AndrewRT(Talk) 15:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I like these sort of templates short and concise. I think we can get rid of all the elections, and simply leave a link to election page. The same goes for the Iranian ministries.--Gerash77 13:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I admit to being a bit biased here because elections are my speciality but I like having recent individual elections listed. This is consistent with other Politics of... templates I have worked on - e.g. Iraq, DRCongo. You can do it in a way that takes up very little room. You seem to be moving the goalposts here - now suggesting an even briefer template than one that's there at the moment. Bear in mind these templates are designed to be run down the side of the main article pages, there is normally plenty of room for extra articles relevant to the particular country. The Iran one is already towards the shorted end of the norm at the moment. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Alright, but please use a smaller font for the recent elections if possible.--Gerash77 22:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
What's wrong with keeping it at the current font size? its consistent with other politics-of templates. Its not like Iran is that un-democratic. Mikebloke 13:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Use "Image:Flag of Iran.svg" (or even "Image:Flag of Iran (1964).svg"), instead of the current image. Jahangard 23:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

"List of political parties in Iran|Political parties" -> "Political parties in Iran|Political parties" Peter G Werner 20:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} I have unprotected the template. I hope that the disputes have died down. CMummert ยท talk 23:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)