Talk:Polocrosse

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I've cleaned up the grammar, punctuation and organisation of this article and improved the clarity with more sections and shorter paragraphs. Does anyone know the first name of Mrs Edward Hirst? Refering to her in this way sounds silly and pompous and is less accurate than including her full name. Also, an article of this length could benefit from a picture. There was one there but it had been removed for being unsourced, and if it can't be displayed it seems futile to have that fact announced in the article. If you're not sure what I mean, see the version before my rewrite. Gruffle Gaw 08:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


Mrs. Majorey Hirst. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ConnerE (talk • contribs) 17:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better photo, please

An action shot of Australian players would be much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgoodwin (talk • contribs) 07:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I have added an action shot of junior players and would welcome a tidy up around the photo. TIA Cgoodwin 06:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primary sources, notability

I have reinstated the {{primarysources}} tag for a second time, and also tagged the article for {{notability}}. There are no references anywhere in the article to substantial coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject, so it also fails WP:N.

Please don't remove those tags until there is evidence of substantial coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject.

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

PS. I have just done a Google-search for Polocrosse, and find pages of entries on Polocrosse clubs, but no sign of anything in independent sources. A GoogleNews search throws up some signs of trivial coverage in local newspapers, but not much. Others may find more, but so far this looks like a non-notable sport. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
BHG, I again removed the primary sources tag now that several sources have been added. The article is of sufficient notability to be in wikipedia and I am puzzled by your definition of "independent souces," I believe you are misinterpreting WP:Cite and WP:N that sometimes there are "best available" sources that are sufficient to establish notability, even if they aren't ideal. Please note that I am not an editor on this article, nor am I a participant in this sport; this is an independent NPOV judgement. I am putting several more sources on the talk page of the article, it clearly is an international sport, I really fail to see what these authors need to add. But we are hijacking Cgoodwin's talk page with this discussion, so I shall move over to the Polocrosse article. Montanabw(talk) 04:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC

Hi BHG. The sport is widely played on an organised basis in rural Australia and is clearly notable. It is generally played in rural areas and thus media coverage is generally through local newspapers that more often than not are not online. Requiring media coverage from city newspapers is a form of systemic bias. Inline citations are not needed to establish notability and I share Montanabw's puzzlement at your interpretation of WP:N. There are enough sources demonstrating notability and while the referencing needs improving this is not a notability issue. Perhaps, rather than replacing the tags, it would be best to list this at AfD to seek community consensus. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 05:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I found the sponsorship of polocrosse by Pony Clubs to be pretty convincing as a third party source establishing notability. Pony Clubs are like Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts for horsey kids. If Pony Clubs acknowledge a discipline, then it has considerable legitimacy. I fully support this article being kept and being of more than adequate notability. Montanabw(talk) 06:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] If anyone needs these

This article clearly passes the notability criteria by any objective measure. If anyone needs more sources, here are some: http://polocrosse.ponyclub.org/ -- Pony Clubs sponsor polocrosse, that is a third party organization http://www.polocrosse.com.au/worldcup/ Ridley World Cup, sponsored by Qantas Airlines, another third party http://www.polocrosse.net/ Describes polocrosse in many nations, including South Africa and Germany http://sportsvl.com/ball/polocrosse.htm Virtual library of sport has entry for polocrosse, this is also a third party source http://www.polocrosse.org.uk/ UK Polocrosse assn http://www.americanpolocrosse.org/ American Polocrosse assn

Hope this helps, have no time to do the research and add to article. Montanabw(talk) 05:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)