Talk:Pollepel Island

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Pollepel Island was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: November 20, 2006

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[edit] Failed GA

I noticed this article's 18 November 2006 nomination as a good article candidate and have taken some time to look it over.

My feedback is as follows:

• The introduction needs to be rewritten according to the guidelines outlined at Wikipedia:Lead section. The introduction should serve as a summary of the entire article and not introduce facts that are not covered within the article itself.
• The second paragraph (actually just one sentence long) reads: Pollepel Island is about 50 miles (80 km) north of New York City[4] and about 1,000 feet (300 m) from the Hudson's eastern shore.[2] It contains about 6.5 acres — most of it rock.[2]. This is confusing. Where is it? 1000 feet from Hudson Bay's eastern shore? 1000 feet from the Hudson River's eastern shore? How far is it from the river's western shore?
• Make sure all measurements have conversions to metric as well.
• This article would be greatly enhanced with the addition of a map without having to click on one of the external links at the bottom.
• Who is Francis Bannerman VI?
• Even though the references are in-line, the web site citations show show more information, including who the publisher of each link is.
• Per Wikipedia's Manual of Style, avoid using words and phrases that indicate time periods relative to the current day. For example, recently might be terms that should be replaced with specific dates/times.
• Don't wikilink years that appear on their own without specific dates, like 1908.
• Why was the island named after the dutch word for a waffle ladle? What is the legend of Polly Pell?
• Aren't most islands made of rock? This statement needs to be clearer. For example, if you are trying to say that the island is bare, exposed rock without any soil coverage, say so. What kind of rock is it made of? Is it volcanic in origin? Sedimentary?
• The article contains weasel words. Example: It is also said that sailors making their first journey up the Hudson River were left stationed at the island until the ship returned as a rite of passage. Say who said it, and provide a reference.

In summary, the article has enough problems that it needs more work to reach Good Article quality. Feel free to contact me with questions, and relist it at the Good Article candidates page when these issues have been addressed. Good luck. Neil916 (Talk) 22:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)