Talk:Political colour
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On Blue representing Democrats in the US - "This is likely due to the Democratic Party starting out as a Conservative party, although it is less-so now, as it has evolved over time."
This is just conjecture that's not even accurate. From what I understand the assignment of red/blue was arbitrary and differed from network to network even during the 2000 election. --Fellnearshiva 00:36, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Political_party#Colors_and_emblems_for_parties. --Jiang 05:16, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Accuracy dispute
I never really heard of any color being associated with the Libertarian Party. Media networks don't usually have a standard color for the Libertarian Party, occasionally gray or yellow is used.
For the Republicans and Democrats, what is the claim of no single official color? Since the 2000 election, media networks have held on to the Republican-red/Democratic-blue association, and both parties have accepted these colors to be used for now on. Doesn't that count as an official color?
Also, the American Communist Party is listed as Red. Is this official or assumed? Red was the color of the SOVIET Communist party. In the U.S., Red is pretty much an official color of the Republican Party. The American Communist Party is merely a third party now, somewhat like a "fourth party". Andros 1337 12:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Red is used internationally as a colour of communism and other forms of socialism. John Anderson 07:43, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I edited the "black" color section to note that its primarily associated with anarchism, and has been since the 1880's (see: Anarchist symbolism) and moved the association with fascism to a subpoint.
- it appears someone undid that. I think it should be discussed here because I don't know which is more common of a usage. As an anarchist, I've always thought of black as primarily anarchistic, but I could be wrong. I also know that some muslims use black flags during protests (I think they are radical muslims, but that could just be american media bias). For now I will mention both fascism and anarchism as using it a lot, and also look more into the muslim usage. I think it has something to do with clerics (I could be totally wrong though).
- Changed my mind, I made anarchism the primary identification with fascism being a subpoint. Anyone can feel free to change that, just discuss it first. Also, the disambiguation page for black flag mentions the black flag as a symbol of Islam.
I agree that it is set in stone now and hardly an issue which needs to be debated. Blue: Democrat, Red: Republican. Remember that the elephant and the donkey were never official either, but originally pejorative. Whether from a Nast political cartoon or tv news graphics, Americans aren't so hung up on whether its official or not. It has simply become part of the American consciousness and lexicon (red state, blue state, etc.), that's all the validation I need.
The US Communist party hasn't even been on the radar since McCarthy. Only the Socialist Party USA, Socialist Equality Party, Socialist Workers Party and Workers World Party make it on ballots and the Democratic Socialist party is notable too, though largely comprised of radical registered democrats. But yes red is the color by historical and international default, of course. The US truly does reverse things in regards to blue and red!
What is with the Black Panthers? There is no Black Panther party anymore. Why not list the Whigs?! ;-) Instead we might add parties like the Constitution party - which is reeeaal original and uses red, white, and blue. I'll keep the Black Panthers just for historical usage and 70's nostalgia, but its removal should be strongly considered. And yes the Libertarians do use blue, but might as well adopt another color like gold, like the LibDems. But all in all, the US parties don't even have official flags, banners, pomp or circumstance. Just the stars and stripes, which every party tries to wrap themselves in more than the other. I'm pretty much alone with my penchant for pageantry here in the states.
- There is a "New Black Panther Party for Self Defense" though they have pretty much no connection with the original BPP.
I did change "the somewhat left-wing Democratic Party of the United States" to centre left, even though by British and European standards the US Democratic party is a little right of centre. If a PolySci grad has a better term, go ahead! Khirad 03:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I changed the "which the right-wing Republican Party" to centre right, to keep it fair and unbiased. There are many Republicans that do not associate themselves with the right-wing movement, and are considered moderate/centre. Rmgrotkierii 22:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] reference
In a video released by the White House depicting Christmas celebrations there, Karl Rove is seen tearing blue ornaments off the Christmas tree, replacing them with red ones. This is a reference to the political colours.
I would love to see a reference on that. Wouter Lievens 10:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Communist Party USA
I have removed Communist Party USA from the list. While historically significant, they are not a major player in modern politics. If they should be included, we should include all active third parties, which would make the list unwieldy. Andros 1337 19:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
This list is full of "third" parties for many countries. Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Poland, most of the EU countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.132.211.219 (talk) 22:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] CDU
Some anonymous editor said it was rubbish to include orange as one of the colours of the german CDU, the CDU article however also says "traditionally: Black; campaign colour: Orange". So I reverted it. C mon 07:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- It still doesn't make too much sense -- if you do it like this, you'll have to include "red-white" for SPÖ, ÖVP and FPÖ in Austria, as all those three parties like to use our flag's colours in political campaigns. I'd strongly advocate only using the colour(s) usually associated with the respective parties in political organigrams and election results; I've removed orange for now, though if you disagree and re-add it, I won't remove it again until we've got a consensus on this. —Nightstallion (?) 17:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Political Colour
Do not move again. On wikipedia the American English spelling is used. ~~ Frvwfr2 19:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Please see WP:ENGVAR before making similar changes. VMS Mosaic 20:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I tried to get the talk page back but it still has one redirect. Perhaps someone else can clean it up? VMS Mosaic 20:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- You are correct that we don't move pages between varieties of English, but please do not correct a move by simply copying the article back to the old location and creating a redirect. Doing that breaks up the article's history. I'm straightening up the move now. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I messed up trying to correct the move before discovering the right way to do it. VMS Mosaic 23:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
