Talk:Polish cochineal

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[edit] GA Passed

This is a very well written article, and the research is impressive. It must have taken a lot of effort to run down the obscure (but good) sources. One thing I would suggest is an inline citation for the source on the life cycle information.Rusty Cashman 19:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I did a review of this article, good job. I have the following points.

  • The life cycle section, though well written, is hard for me (a non-specialist) to understand. Particularly since it immediately follows the introduction it would be better if it was expanded a bit (explain things in the text rather than linking to other articles). The words that I think should be explained the first time that they're used are encyst, instar, imagines and maybe oviposition (though context makes the last one clear to me). The way ecdysis is explained is a good example of how to expand the others. I think it looks better if you italicize a word when it's first used and then followed by an explanation, though this may be a matter of taste (e.g. "At this point, the larvae undergo ecdysis, shedding their exoskeletons together with their legs and antennae..."
    • I added short explanations of the terms "encyst", "instar" and "imago" in the text. I hope this will make it clearer for non-biologists now. I decided not to italicize those words though (I normally italicize only book titles and non-English words). — Kpalion(talk) 15:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • In the section on dye production it states "and dissolved in leaven or kvass (light rye beer) in order to remove fat." Leaven redirects to leavening agent and I don't know if that's what's meant here, I don't understand the sentence if it does. It's not clear to me if light rye beer refers to just kvass or to both leaven and kvass (are they two words for the same thing)? Could be reworded to "in leaven or a light rye beer called kvass" to clarify.
    • I replaced the word "leaven" with "sourdough" to make it more specific. Sourdough is a natural leavening agent traditionally used for making bread, borsht and kvass; the article sourdough has a picture of it, from which you can see that it was ineed possible to dissolve ground cochineal in it. I rephrased the part about kvass according to your suggestion. — Kpalion(talk) 15:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The proto-slavic word "*čьrvь" is in the linguistics section. It would be good if there was a clue to the pronunciation of this.
    • Proto-Slavic is a reconstructed language, so pronunciation of words like "*čьrvь" is uncertain. However, I added the most probable pronunciation (in IPA), based on the Phonology section of the article Proto-Slavic language.
  • Except as noted above, I found no problems with the text of the article.
  • Stefan_Czarniecki2.jpg doesn't indicate who the artist is. This information should be provided and then the image can be moved to the commons.
    • I don't know the source of this image (I would guess it was painted during the subject's lifetime, i.e. in the 17th century, and the author could be anonymous). I saw you already tried to contact Emax, the Wikipedian who uploaded it, but I'm afraid he is no longer active. — Kpalion(talk) 15:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Image:Scleranthus perennis eF.jpg might look better if it was cropped to just include the center bud.

Mkultra72 02:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your effort to review the article, Mkultra72. Please let me know, if you have any more questions or suggestions. — Kpalion(talk) 15:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Well done, the "third instar" still bothers me a little when I read it. Perhaps it should include a dash "A third-instar (developmental stage) male larva" to make it clear that third modifies instar and not larva. Or even wikilink all of "third instar" (linking to just instar). Perhaps even it should read "When the male larva reaches the third-instar developmental stage it forms a delicate..." These are just ideas. For the next sentence "Females are neotenous, they retain their larval form, and in late June or early July they re-emerge from the ground..." might work better. With the current wording it's not clear if all females are neotenous and re-emerge, or only those females that are neotenous re-emerge. Mkultra72 21:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I hyphenated "third-instar" and rephrased the part about neotenous females. Should be better now. — Kpalion(talk) 22:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proofreading

This article was in wonderful shape. I made a small number of nit-picky changes, mostly to punctuation. I hesitated before removing the L (for Latin) after the two instances of Porphyrophora polonica but saw that the author had not used a similar L with other Latin names, and it seemed unnecessary to use it for these two. Finetooth 23:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Finetooth. The L didn't stand for Latin, but for Linneaus, the guy who came up with the Latin name. I just read that this kind of nomenclature is actually only used in botany, so you were probably right removing it anyway. I decided to leave it in the references though, since there the L is part of a title of a book. — Kpalion(talk) 00:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)