Talk:Polish Air Forces

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Contents 1 Pics 2 Mark of the Air Force 3 Where are the people? 4 From 1990 5 ERJ 145 6 Round roundels? 7 number of MiG-29 8 Userbox 9 Independent Air Force? 10 Gallery

[edit] Pics

Do we really need so many pics here? How about migrating them to a gallery, or some place else? //Halibutt 09:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I washinking about rewriting modern structure of PAF (look at pl:). I supose if we do that number of photos won't be a problem any more. Radomil talk 10:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark of the Air Force

I`m just curious - why was the ensignia changed (rotated) in 1993?

This "rotation" corrected chessbord as herladic symbol. Orginal order, from 1918 sounds like that: top-left and bottom-right fileds should be red. Bottom-left and top-right would be white. This order was wrote by person that know rules of heraldic, and "right" and "left" mean "herladic" right and left. Pepole that were painting chessbods on planes didn't knew that. After 75 years this misunderstanding was corrected. Radomil talk 15:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where are the people?

The article is about the hardware. What about the people, the Dęblin school? Xx236 11:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From 1990

The English in the section headed "From 1990" is not good enough. I would edit it but am not sure of all the facts. Can someone check that quote? Surely the gentleman mentioned did not actually say that.

Also, in the earlier section "kraju" is translated as "Country". That doesn't sound right. It could probably be better translated here as "Homeland".

I agree with the earlier comment about the number of photos. There are too many.

[edit] ERJ 145

I've removed ERJ 145 from the aircraft list. Could not find any source that would confirm that Polish Air Force will buy an ERJ 145

[edit] Round roundels?

In a photograph on page 8 of the August 2006 issue of Air International, a freshly-delivered Polish Border Guards PZL Skytruck shows the tailfin 'chessboards' as having had their corners painted over to make the roundel, well, round. It wasn't a quick job either - the border was fully included. Is this something common or just a one-off? - - Aerobird ^{Target locked - Fox One!} 01:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This is sign used only by Border Guard (like on this Wilga: , which is not any more part of army (now it is subjugated to Ministry of Internal Affairs and Administration, not to Ministry of Defence). Polish Air Force, Air Force of Polish Land Forces and Naval Air Force still use square chessboard (like on this F-16 ). Radomil talk 01:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there any specific reason for the difference? - - Aerobird ^{Target locked - Fox One!} 02:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I supose that reason is restricted usage of chessbord to military planes. Since Straż Graniczna is not part of Army they do not use chessboard (like Police). On the other hand machines of this service are used in border area, so it is good to have some specific markings. Notice that SG's "roundel" is allways on green square field. It is derrived from distinction between ensign of Polish Navy and Ensign of Straż Graniczna, and earlier Border Defence Army . Radomil talk 14:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting...thanks! :-) - Aerobird ^{Target locked - Fox One!} 15:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] number of MiG-29

There are 32 MiG-29 in Polish Air Force in service, according to the internet site of polish ministry of defence. (zresztą nie słyszałem by kiedykolwiek było tych samolotów więcej jak 44 w polskich siłach..) Futhermore - the article "MiG-29" says that there is a number of 97 such plains in polish forces. Is it a simple mistake or I don't know something ?

There should be 36 operational MiGs. I know how it sound but Polish MoD Web Site is not a reliable source. Polish Air Force is using 12 (including 3 UB) MiGs delivered 1989-90 from USSR, 10 (including 1 UB) delivered 1995-1996 from Czech Rep. and 22 delivered 2003-04 from Germany but only 14 (including 4 UB) of them were put in service. No Polish MiG-29 crashed or been damaged beyond repair. 12+10+14 makes 36 for me. Corran.pl 16:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

I've prepared this userbox for myself, but if you would like to use it, feel free to copy & paste following code in your Babel Tower or another place:

{{User:Piotr Mikołajski/Userboxes/PolishAF}}

Piotr Mikołajski 07:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independent Air Force?

The article implies but does not confirm that the independent PAF emerged sometime after 1918. It's a point overlooked in many/most Wikipedia entries--when did a nation acquire an independent air force rather than aviation branches of the army or navy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.180.205 (talk) 23:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Polish Air Forces are independent since it's creation. Officialy this new branch of Armed Forces was created on 20 December 1918 with Col. observ. Hipolit Łossowski as first commander. Radomil talk 09:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

At the moment, the way the pictures are placed is rather disruptive of the page layout, I suggest the creation of a gallery section at the bottom of the page with the majority of the pictures. Are there any objections against this suggestion? KTo288 18:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've got. Gallery isn't the best solution. Much better is current way of pictures exposition. Your proposition will lead to two big blocks - one of plain text, second of pictures only. Now we have mixed layout of text and pictures on the side. Radomil talk 19:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look on another computer tomorrow, but on my 15" screen I get a large block of whitespace to the left of the last 23 of those pictures. I wasn't suggesting that all those pictures be moved to a potential gallery, leaving say one for each major section of text. KTo288 20:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, there is no whitespace problem at high res on a 17" screen, so "fixing" this is not as urgent as I thought it was going to be. Its still worth considering that a page will not display the same way to everybody who may be looking at it. KTo288 09:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

What browser are you using, KTo288? I can't make your problem happen at any window size. -- DatRoot 19:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)