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A question to the author(s) :

When you say : "These theories are currently not accepted by the scientific community..."

do you mean just the two theories mentioned right before that phrase, or are you including Mr. Hapgood´s theory too ?

Thanks in advance.

Contents 1 Unreferenced 2 = it is possible 2.1 Confuses true polar wander with pole shift a little bit 2.2 Illuminati Connection? 2.3 At the time of Jesus??` 2.4 Diagram request 2.5 Question 2.6 2012 section 2.7 NOT a "Theory" as Clearly Stated

[edit] Unreferenced

Seeing as how there is absolutely zero references or citations in this article, I'm adding an {{unreferenced}} tag at the top. --R.Lange 10:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The government has their escape routes, and space ships to be able to lift them off the planet for 20 hours easily, but what about the rest of us? We need to build a fleet of ships that can remove all species off the planet, a modern day Noah’s arc.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure how this contributes to the article and it smells of conspiracy paranoia

== reply to above == Not a conspiracy theory, just simply the facts.

I wrote that statement after the rest of the information I had placed in this section. The concept I was trying to put forth is that, if a pole shift may happen at some point, and we can survive it very easily by removing ourselves from the face of the planet, would it not be a good idea to build an excape route for ourselves?. It is a fact that scientists have reported their information to the governments and the reality is, they (the ones in government control) have the means to survive, they have the ability to get off the planet, if it should happen. We do not. That is simply the facts. --My Name Is 3 20:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Spaceships? The US has 3 space shuttles, each of which requires enormous logistical work to prepare for flight and each of which carries only a few people. Even the top of the executive branch - the President, Vice President, and Cabinet - couldn't get off the planet in a hurry. Those are facts; what you wrote has no basis in reality. Fasrad 04:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] = it is possible

It is possible, if we act to build a excape plan for any natural disaster that may fall upon earth at any point, from pole shifts to meteors. We all know it to be true, but the intersting thing is why we are not doing it. If it is such a simple task, a simple insurancce plan, for all our technological advances, why dont we have personal space craft? I discuss this and other subjects in my book which you can read online for free (in its current unedited form - at www.thebookoffact.netfirms.com

I see crazy people. 213.86.59.92 13:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Spaceships are expensive
  • If the Earth explodes, we have nowhere to go anyway

Sum0 21:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Why here are so much crackpots and simply annoying idiots? This article is next to USELESS. I want to read about scientific theories about pole shift, not paranoia kook crap.

[edit] Confuses true polar wander with pole shift a little bit

I'm not much knowledgeable in the subject, but I think that TPW does not propose that the actual axis of rotation has changed, but rather that the whole group of continents wandered conjointly in a upper layer, independently of the axis of rotation, which remains stable; as if there was a second, nearly perpendicular, axis, with slower rotation speed, and affecting only the external layers of the Earth, so that the magnetic poles (whose "cause" is deeper into the planet, with a much more immense volume) do not wander together with the surface, resulting in climatic changes and in the geologic record of "fake" magnetic pole reversals. An analogy would be to spin an egg or an spheroid object in a table, putting it to spin initially in the "taller" position; it would tend to slowly move itself in order to the equator be the part with the largest diameter, but at the same time it spins in a stable, always nearly vertical, rotation axis. --Extremophile 17:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illuminati Connection?

WTF?????! Too much Angels and Demons there, buddy. Muuc (talk) 02:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

This may sound silly, and I'm pretty uninformed but I'd like to explore the idea of a connection between the Illuminati/Masons and a physical polar shift? Has anyone ever written or heard anything like that?

I don't know that much about the group, but I believe I read that The Illuminated grew out of Egyptian society and, through many many years, into Germany then Brittan and, of course, if you believe the hype, to America and throughout the world, and in high places.

I'm no expert but if I were to try to think of a civilization prior to ours (who still don't really know if a polar shift is coming) that would understand the physical workings of the solar system it's the ancient Egyptians. Later you'd have to add the Druids and then of course Modern societies.

The Illuminati are said to have followed that same lineage and said to have preserved a great deal of exclusive information though strict tradition. If what they say about the Illuminati/Masons were true and a secret society that old, secretive and studious exists, than you'd have to consider the amount and type of combined knowledge they've gathered over thousands of years, from diverse, evolving cultures, all amassing into a knowledge base that could easily contain information on something such as a polar shift, global warming, you name it.

All the Illuminati theories I've seen seem to point to the groups New World Order taking hold very soon with signs visible in the news every day. Another group (who, sadly, I can't think of a connection with) who would understand astrology/astronomy at a predictable level were the Mians. Coincidentally, their calendar, which counts down, rather than up like ours, ends in 2012.

Almost all religions, including those used to build all the Illuminati rituals, speak of the world ending in fire, if global warming is the reality it seems to be and you believe the charts, most places on earth are going to become uninhabitable, burning waste-lands in the near future. If the polar shift is predicted to be happening soon and the massive climate change is slotted for shortly after there may only be 2 survivable places on earth, the poles. I read that after the polar shift it's predicted that the Northern pole area will be positioned around the US Canadian border (is that correct?) and the southern pole area would barely include the southern tip of Africa, leaving North America as the only inhabitable area.

The theories surrounding the Bavarian Illuminati lead to the idea that they formed as a secret society around the time Europeans took control of North America (of course, simply taking it from the aboriginal people without any complaints from the rest of the world). They are said to own the Federal Reserve and the USA, the majority of Presidents have been either members or connected. Perhaps it's a stretch, but it all seems to add up to me.

If you were a member of a secret group that had knowledge of these things, a group that happened to grow to be as powerful as they seem to have, then what do you think that group would work towards?

I think survival, inclusion, control of the last available place that would support life. You would have to devise a way to govern life in a hostile environment because even at the poles it would be no picnic after the earth going through a change like that.

Billions would die, and if the billions knew for sure it was coming it would be hell on earth, people... the world would go crazy, it would be a living hell, as it will be if (when) the shift and climate change occur. There's no way they'd allow us to know, it would be irresponsible of them to do so. Perhaps that's why they are so secretive and symbolic. As global politics change and the stories about the Masons seem to be more and more realistic; as climate change and polar shift look more and more possible, I think there's reason to suspect a connection. I don’t think the timing is coincidental. The entire thing may simply the somewhat ugly story of how humanity will survive, sadly, putting the majority of us on the losing end.

Just a thought. What do you think?

--bigz--mikez-- 11:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)BM

Hey. I don't want to remove anything from the article without discussing it first but, having listened to Clive Cussler's Atlantis Found, I believe it has nothing to do with polar shifts. The book 'Polar Shift' probably does, I don't know yet, but 'Atlantis Found's doomsday is a global warming and raising of the sea levels and thus should probably be cited under 'Global Warming Cultural References' and not here.

[edit] At the time of Jesus??`

May I firstly say that this article leaves a lot to be desired in terms of referencing and even structure. It could also be written/worded better (in my opinion). The "...at the time of Jesus..." line is absurd. I'm not here to argue religion, but 1. by saying that you alienate the audience, especially those of other cultures/religions who may not be aware when Jesus was around and 2. there isn't even a definitive date for when Jesus lived, so you simply make that statement useless. On that note, I'm altering that line to 0 C.E. Aristeaus 09:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diagram request

See above --Jack Zhang (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi. I'm not a registered user on Wikipedia, but I was wondering about something and thought this would be the place to ask. Please forgive me if I'm not supposed to ask about this here. So, I was wondering, if a pole shift occours, would it effect Earth's tectonic plates in any way? Would it cause plates to move around, earthquakes and the like? Or, more specifically, set off a volcano like the Yellowstone Caldera? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.57.187 (talk) 01:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Basically it would destroy most life on earth. Virtually every volcano on earth would explode, every potential earthquake, etc. The atmosphere would become unbreathable, the seas heat up, etc. Beetles might survive, some microscopic organisms, etc. The very shape and organisation of the continents would probably change.--Doug Weller (talk) 06:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

2012. It WILL happen. Doug is right. Massive earthquakes will rip through almost every area on the planet, having enourmous effects on and killing millions. Visit http://survive2012.com for great facts about 2012 and Doomsday.Muuc (talk) 02:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2012 section

This looks like OR and clearly POV pushing a particular website -- a personal website which is clearly not what Wikipedia considers a 'reliable source' - Muuc, see WP:RELIABLE. What you have written here is your own opinion, what is called 'Original Research' and again please read Wikipedia:No original research if you want to add to an article or even create one. Nor really should you be pushing the website on this talk page. I think this section should be removed entirely, and also note that it is actually not about 'Pole shift theory'.

I agree. This section is ridiculous. Not only is the "reference" for this section a conspiracy theory website, but it is also not properly cited. I have commented the section out. Snottywong (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.--Doug Weller (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NOT a "Theory" as Clearly Stated

What the hell has happened to science? Psychology and pseudoscience have raped the word 'theory.' Title should be "Polar Shift Hypothesis" THANKS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.251.120 (talk) 01:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely right. Done.Doug Weller (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)