Talk:Pokémon evolution

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Reviewed version: May 16, 2007

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[edit] Pikachu Evolution in Pokemon Yellow

Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow can evolve, but when it happens it no longers follows the character around outside the Pokeball. I don't know if this is different for other language variants but it should be looked into. --User:Kaluriel 15:19, 23 May, 2007 (GMT)

It can only evolve if it's traded to R/B and then traded back. It rejects evolution in Yellow. DanPMK 07:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'M Evolution unsuitable

I think we should replace that image with an evolution of an official Pokémon. 'M is not an official Pokémon, it is a game virus. Andros 1337 15:24, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. So who's willing to take the screenshots? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 18:34, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
I can do that, if I remember to. I have the various games and also have them emulated. The big question is, which is the best game to capture an evolution from? The GB/GBC games, as shown, or the more modern GBA counterparts??? Master Thief Garrett 05:24, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Actually it's not a virus because it does not self-replicate (yes I know this was mentioned 1½ years ago :P) WikiSlasher 08:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Quite right, it’s a glitch, something quite different. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The evolution of Pokemon

Yes, I would agree that the evolution of pokemon is not related to Darwinism, but reather to Henri Bergsons' book titled CREATIVE EVOLUTION. For I have been doing research on it and still recovering from it. You'll be able to find it at Amazon.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Researchergonechristian (talk • contribs)

Please sign your comments. Also, do you have a source besides your own personal opinion, such as a quote from the designers indicating that this was their intention? If not, it's original research and not allowed in the articles. --Sparky Lurkdragon 19:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happiness evolution

While it could be percieved as a variant of level-up evolution on the surface( as could all the “Unusual” evolutions), it’s really rather different. Yes, it is triggered by levelling up, however, the mechanics and intention are quite different. Level-up evolution requires that the Pokémon gain a certain amount of battle experience, and reflects this by granting it a more powerful form after it reaches certain levels. However, a Pokémon which evolves based on happiness can do so at any time, theoretically even going from level 1 to 2, if it is happy enough. Furthermore, if a level-up evolution is stopped, the Pokémon can evolve after that any time it levels up. If a friendly evolution is stopped, the Pokémon won’t necessarily evolve the next time if the required conditions are not maintained. Because of this, and because happiness evolution is about as common as stone or trade evolution now, it really deserves its own full section, rather than a subsection. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I tried to make it its own section once but it got changed back. Good to see someone agrees with me :) --WikiSlasher 07:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA review — GA on hold

Problems to be fixed:

Lead
  • Currently two sentences long; expand to at least a full paragraph. This article is right on the boarder for a medium sized article, so having two paragraphs would not be bad.
Evolutionary stages

*Every Pokémon belongs one of four evolutionary stages; missing the word 'to' between belongs and one.

  • Explain what a Baby Pokémon is and what branching evolution means. You should write articles in a way so that even people unfamiliar with the content will not be confused.
Causes of Pokémon evolution
Leveling up
  • RPGs --> Role-playing games
  • Numbers that can be expressed in one or two words should be written out, such as 1 --> one; this does not apply when refering to a level number. The number 1 in the sentence which instantly elevate the Pokémon by 1 level should be changed to 'one' for example.
Evolution through happiness

:*if you observe the animation; you should be changed to "the player"

  • by how large the image of the pokémon gets. The image either gets 0, 1, 2, or 3 grades larger. the 3rd grade is loosely enough to enact a "happy evolution". pokémon --> Pokémon; numbers should be written out; the --> The; 3rd --> third
Special evolutions
  • There are several one sentence paragraphs; merge these together.
Evolution in other games or media

*In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon the world; there should be a comma between Dungeon and the.

References
  • All references should be in accordance with WP:CITE; see {{Cite web}} for the proper format.--十八 01:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment Except for the very first, every single reference is a link to a Pokedex entry on a specific Pokemon. All content except for "X evolves into Y" is unsourced. -Amarkov moo! 04:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Please note Amarkov Did you see the gap or arrow between X and Y Pokemon? Whatever you call unsourced can be found there. And why not use Pokedex entries? Vikrant Phadkay 14:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
      • There's nothing wrong with using Pokedex entries. The issue is that they only source the statements of form "X evolves to Y through process Z", leaving large chunks of the article with no sources. -Amarkov moo! 14:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

This is all entirely sourced using fan sites (Pokemonelite2000, Serebii, etc.) I would have instantly failed it for massive damage to 2b. hbdragon88 05:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

2b says to give reliable sources, and SPP is one of the largest Pokémon fansites on the Internet and is very well known. If that's not a reliable source, then not even Anime News Network would be usefull in WP:Anime. So I do not agree that it failed 2b. Though at the same time Serebii.net was deleted some time ago...--十八 05:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
It's still a WP:SPS. ANN has the edge at least of staff members who use real names; the Pokemon fansites are authored under pseudonyms. The FAR for Torchic was especially hard on the use of Serebii, though that is FA and this is just GA. Never mind, then. hbdragon88 06:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The maximum of seven days has passed, and not everything has been dealt with. GAC failed.--十八 05:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I have completed some of the tasks. NOT all. Yugiohguy1 22:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, new to the project, thought I'd help with this list and the To-Do list since this was a Focus Article. Did some copyediting and citations to the Special Evolutions section as suggested to help the quality of the article. A little nervous but hope its okay! Shallon Michaels 22:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

On a somewhat related but probably separate note, if citing Serebii was really a bad thing, let me know, I was just trying to follow the established precedent there but if need be I can go buy the official Pokedex book and use information from that.Shallon Michaels 22:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Citing Serebii is VERY bad, because Serebii is a) a fansite, and b) run by one person and has no editorial oversight. Thus, it fails WP:RS. Instead of Serebii, cite the actual games. -Jeske (v^_^v) 05:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Gladly, how would we go about doing that? Let's fix it, rather then just leaving it incorrectly cited or uncited entirely. I'm new and am having trouble finding an example of how to cite the game from any of the other pages.Shallon Michaels 18:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I would examine WP:CITE - that would have some info. -Jeske (v^_^v) 19:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] four stages

In the Pokemon games, there are only three stages (1st, 2nd and 3rd obviuosly). The baby stages are an invention of the TCG (same for basic stage). A Pichu is the 1st stage which evolves in its 2nd (pikachu). In the games its never written which stage of its evolutionary line a pokemon is, so the addition of a new stage that comes before an existing Pokemon makes no difference here. In the TCG there is written on a pikachu card: basic stage. And as they wanted to continoue the players using this cards, they didnt change it to stage 1, but instead invented the baby stage, which stays for pokemon that are pre-evolutions of existing ones, which were added in a later generation. In the games a Togepi and Riolu cannot breed like all the Pokemon that are considered baby stage in TCG and also look like premature pokemon as much as all the others. But are basic stage in TCG. http://pokebeach.com/sets/genesis/12.jpg http://pokebeach.com/sets/genesis/51.jpg Charon8 20:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Erm... I can barely understand what you wrote. However, to sum:
  • Baby pokes are in the "Unbreedable" egg group in the games and bear resemblence to the Poke they evolve into (exc. Tyrogue)
  • There are only TWO stages of evolution at this point (baby and basic aren't stages), but the stages are only "official" to the TCG, in part because of unique evolution methods, such as Shedinja and Silcoon/Cascoon. Basics evolved from Babies are still Basics; they are just treated as Stage I's for the purposes of cards such as Hyper Devolution Spray (yes, I am an old-timer in terms of the Pokemon TCG).
  • Consider the cost of reprinting all those cards prior to Neo Genesis just for errata purposes (they didn't do that with Magic: the Gathering, and still don't to this day).
Any questions? -Jeske (v^_^v) 02:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silcoon/cascoon example

It's wrong. A wurmple can evolve into a silcoon while nighttime and into a cascoon while daytime. It's been proved that it's the personal value and not the day/nighttime in various help sites. 91.155.110.187 (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tyrogue's stats

On the article it says that Tyrogue evolves into Hitmontop if it's Attack and Defence are equal but in every case of its evolution I see its Attack and Defence are almost equal. I know its not that important but can it be changed a bit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.193.253 (talk) 02:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)