Talk:Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition

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 Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: March 19, 2007

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[edit] Color

How come no one mentioned this game uses the Super Gameboy color pallets when played on a Gameboy Color? IIRC this was also the last Gameboy game that wasn't full colorTechni 18:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

Tyan23, thanks for the screenshot! I think a screen will add a lot to the article. However, I wonder if this one with the player following Professor Oak could be replaced by an in-game shot involving Pikachu following the player? That is, after all, one of Yellow's distinguishing features. And perhaps another screen with Pikachu's pop-up window could be added to the "Your pal Pikachu" section? What do you think? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 17:17, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC) I think we should rename it that,yes I have game boy color(it's purple and I got it at the goodwill,Pokemon yellow I got a EB Games.

I agree, that shot is virtually identical to Red/Blue's "follow the leader" scene, so one showing Pikachu would also be good. So I'll make one if I remember. And I'll see if I can make one or two mood shots, preferably of the beginning (Pikachu's so disrespectful to you it looks almost asleep!) to later on in the game (when it looks like it wants to hug you to death!) Master Thief Garrett 10:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I know that Pikachu and Raichu look so cute together,I saw them in a episode on cartoon network on my old mitsubishi or hitachi TV ,a lot of my friends collect poke'mon and even pocket monster cards, (I used to have japanese and french variant cards), one of my friends has poke'mon yellow. I've heard pokemon crystal is good to.

[edit] Trading

I removed the bit about the Pikachu being untradable. I'm not positive about Red and Blue, but I am almost positive that Pikachu can be traded into Gold/Silver/Crystal. It's always holding a Light Ball, I belive. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 22:08, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

I will have to check on that. I can't see why they'd allow you to trade it away though as that would be getting rid of it and would basically turn the game back into Red/Blue! I'm fairly certain you couldn't put it on Bill's PC, so I doubt you could get rid of it in a trade either. But you may be right. Either way, I'll change the article based on my findings. Master Thief Garrett 10:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
You can put it in Bill's PC. Not sure about trading though. Forever young 04:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

You can trade him to pokemon red,blue,yellow and the jhoto series. By philip1992 Technically he is tradable in my case ,<I own some of the games I got them from eb games.

[edit] Repetitivity

Do you not think this article is a bit repetitive! It talks about Yellows pikachu 3 times and Raichu twice!--XenoNeon 21:13, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Version-specific Pokémon

just thought I'd throw this out there... but under the section "Version-specific Pokémon" Weedle, Kakuna, and Beedrill do NOT belong in the list. Reason being is that they are available in the game... It's just VERY VERY VERY rare. Don't believe me? get a copy out and check the pokedex area thingy. NetStormer 05:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No, that's not true. Weedle does not appear in Yellow. Oh, yes, I got a copy of it, and it says "Area unknown" in the Pokedex. For more information, read the own Wikipedia Weedle article! So Weedle, Kakuna and Beedril are NOT in Yellow -- so I have added them to that list. Wanna Know My Name? Later 05:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Your are kidding me thats not true.

Hmmm, the version specific pokemon have been removed from the article. I think this section is interesting, informative, and useful for those viewing the article. Should it be added back in?? (and I don't think Weedle, Kakuna, & Beedrill can be found in Pokemon Yellow, but they can be imported into the game from Red & Blue)
There are a total of 151 Pokémon programmed into Pokémon Yellow. However, there are only 137 total Pokémon that can be found and captured by the player in Yellow alone. For 13 of the missing Pokémon, players must trade with Pokémon Red, Blue, Gold, Silver or Crystal.[1]
These 13 Pokémon are:
The 14th missing Pokémon is Mew, which is normally unobtainable unless the player receives one from Nintendo. It is possible to obtain all 151 Pokémon, including Mew, by exploiting the Mew glitch. It is also possible to get a Missingno. without trading from Pokémon Red and Blue using variations of the glitch; however, due to the fixing of some glitches from Red and Blue versions, a Missingno cannot otherwise be captured in Yellow.[2] RevJohn 06:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
You can add everything back but the actual names of the Pokémon, because that's gamercruft. People have sites like Serebii for game guides.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 16:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested Move

Shouldn't this page be at Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition since that is the name of the game? TJ Spyke 00:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition redirects here. Bibliomaniac15 00:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be the other way though? With Pokémon Yellow re-directing to Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition? TJ Spyke 01:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Surfing Pikachu?

How do you get a surfing Pikachu, aside from a GameShark or Pokemon Coliseum? Ash Ketchum 13:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Ash Ketchum

This isn't the place to ask a question like this. Go to the reference desk. bibliomaniac15 00:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC) You can watch the tv show or buy gameshark or pokemon coliseum,<poke'mon the movie should have a image of pikachu>.

What's more important is, why isn't this mentioned in the article? This was one of the coolest features of yellow and it's been cut out?! C. Pineda (クリス) 03:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update

This is the only Pokemon game that has yet to have at least one update. Pokemon Red was updated to Fire Red and Blue was replaced with Leaf Green, an update of Pokemon Green. Gold and Silver were updated to Crystal.

I believe that Yellow should be updated. The graphics need to be updated to at least GBA standards and the storyline needs to better follow the series. This is the best game they ever made and should be updated from monochrome. 67.188.172.165 21:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

We appreciate your concerns, but this is not the place to voice them. Please go to a Pokémon forum to voice your opinion, as this is an encyclopedia. bibliomaniac15 01:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

video games don't need to be perfect.

[edit] GA on hold

I think this article is fairly close to meeting the Good Article standards, but there are one or two things I'd like to see addressed before passing it. First, I think it could use a few more citations -- several sections, including "Trading & Compatibility", "Yellow's Pikachu", and "Version-specific Pokemon" have no citations at all. Pretty much every section or subsection should have at least one, showing where the information in that section came from. Second, I think the text could use a copyediting pass; as one example of a clumsy sentence, consider "Unlike previous Pokémon titles, Yellow version gave the player a Pikachu instead of the usual choice between three Pokémon; this change makes the game harder at the beginning stage than the previous two games, since Pikachu’s electric attacks are ineffective against the first Gym-leader, Brock." That should be rewritten, probably into at least two distinct sentences. I would also request more expansion of the "Reception" section, if that's possible, although that wouldn't stand in the way of promotion to GA. Shimeru 21:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Poke'mon is a good article.

In-line citations are only needed for FA status. The thing about copyediting, I agree with that. I will fix that sentence myself. Expansion of Reception is not neccesary in my opinion. And as you said it won't stand in the way of this article's promotion. Once that copyedit problem is fixed it should be ready for promotion. Funpika 22:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Some form of inline citation is needed for GA, you need to back up your claims, with an inline citation M3tal H3ad 02:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, inline citation is "not mandatory" (although it is "highly desirable") for GA, according to WP:WIAGA. So that much is true. However, the "References" section includes nothing outside of the existing inline citations, leaving the question of where the information in those uncited sections is drawn from -- and I think it would be most consistent to add further inline cites. (It would certainly be most helpful for a future Featured Article candidacy: FA does require inline citation.) Shimeru 04:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok guys, sorry about not responding yet, but my DSL went AWOL (thank you Verizon!) I've got SOLs to study for, but I'll implement your suggestions soon! Dåvid Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 22:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't feel you need to rush. As long as the article's being worked on, I'm happy to extend the hold. Shimeru 03:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Since it's been on hold for rather a long time and work is still underway, I'm removing it from the candidate list for now. I think it's been greatly improved, but a fair amount of the prose is still awkward or confusing. I'm going to try to straighten some of it out myself, probably tomorrow, but I can't in good conscience pass an article I've heavily copyedited. Since it would need another reviewer in any case, I think the better solution is just to relist it. This also allows more time for finding additional references and tweaking sections. Shimeru 05:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minigame

This article should mention the minigame that can be unlock once a player gets ahold of the Surfing Pikachu as well as mentioning Surfing pikachu WhiteStrike 18:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misstatement?

There is one paragraph in the Battle section that I find questionable:

One of the few changes to the battle mode is that, on the Game Boy Color, a Pokémon's health meter turns red and makes a beeping sound when the Pokémon is at less than 50% of full health. This feature was improved upon in later games.

There are three things wrong with this:

1. Red and Blue already had the feature to change the color of the HP bar at different levels, though this only happens on a Super Game Boy.

2. Red and Blue already beeped when low on health, and this happens on any type of Game Boy.

3. It takes less than 50% health to make the HP bar turn red, and the game beep repeatedly.

Should this part be revised or removed? TanookiMario257 21:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

25% health 172.162.150.53 04:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From Wikipedia:Requested moves

Actually, the bigger problem is that the most common usage is evidently "Pokémon Yellow", without the "Special Pikachu Edition" suffix (approx. 89% of Internet hits). Overturning that kind of trend cannot be considered uncontroversial. --Stemonitis 11:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed the section on MISSIGNO. A section on how to catch MISSINGNO. belongs in a game walkthrough, not on Wikipedia, and especially not in the Yellow Version article, which I don't think even has the MISSIGNO. glitch. 66.41.145.88 01:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't use search engine counts. Is the longer is the official, then use that. Otherwise, the title counts as OR. Ashnard Talk Contribs 07:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names

Throughout this article (and likely through the Red and Blue and FireRed and LeafGreen articles), I've noticed that the playable character and his rival are called "Ash" and "Gary" respectively. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Ash and Gary the secondary default names while Red and Blue are the primary default names? If so, shouldn't the article list these two characters as Red and Blue as opposed to Ash and Gary? MelicansMatkin (talk) 22:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not to move --Lox (t,c) 20:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Pokémon Yellow → Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition — Full name of the game. It's the name on the box, in the in-game logo, on Nintendo's official Pokemon games website ([1], click on the box and it will give a summary of the game along with this title). —TJ Spyke 03:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Support as the nominator. TJ Spyke 03:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose: as mentioned below by Andrewa, naming conventions say to use the most common name. From my experience, Pokemon Yellow is generally the most frequently used name for this game, so I do not support a move. MelicansMatkin (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose: per policy, as discussed below. Support moving back to fix reckless move (below). TheBilly (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
    • You mean moving the game to its correct title? God forbid we should have article names be correct. TJ Spyke 00:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
There's no need to get personally offended and jump on anyone and any comment in opposition. See WP:OWN and WP:CIV TheBilly (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't jumping on you, I was just wondering what you have against the article being at its correct name? The name of the game is "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition", there's no disputing that. TJ Spyke 01:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Comment: No, it is disputed. See Discussion below. No change of vote. Andrewa (talk) 04:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. At the risk of argument from silence, there seems no justification for the move. The claim that the longer title is correct is IMO itself incorrect. Both the long and short versions are acceptable article names, and the better one appears to be the short version. Andrewa (talk) 05:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose It is a tagline/sub title that sees very little use from my experience. Narson (talk) 00:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition" shows 2,500 Google hits while "Pokémon Yellow" by itself has 60,700 hits. Does that not indicate that the short name is more common and better known? The subtitle is unnecessary and, per policy, is not required for the article title. Bhamv (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

Wikipedia:Naming conventions don't support use of the full name, nor the name on the box, in the in-game logo, nor the official name whether on the website or elsewhere. Instead, what we're interested in is what English speakers generally use. The makers of the game have all sorts of reasons to use the longer title, but my guess is that English speakers would normally shorten it. No vote from me as yet, but I don't think a case has been made by the nominator for the move. Andrewa (talk) 20:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean other than the fact that it's the correct name of the game? "Pokémon Yellow" is the wrong name, plain and simple. Most people call Halo: Combat Evolved just "Halo", but we still have it at the correct name. Video games, movies, and TV shows go by their correct title. TJ Spyke 23:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
In the case of Halo, the more specific name is used because "Halo" is a common English word with many different articles linked to that term. That's just a disambiguation method. Following the usual convention it might have been named "Halo (video game)", but that would still be ambiguous with Halo as a series. See: Halo (series) TheBilly (talk) 00:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
That was just an example. What about Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem? It's usually just called "Eternal Darkness". TJ Spyke 00:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Then perhaps this article name should be changed to conform to WP:NC. Andrewa (talk) 05:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I had a look at Eternal Darkness, and I can't see why the subtitle is currently included in the article name. Let's finish this discussion, then assuming we remove the subtitle from this article name, we can then propose that one for renaming too. Andrewa (talk) 21:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
It's not the the correct name of the game (my emphasis), it's one of several correct names. The question is which of these to use for the article. Andrewa (talk) 21:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The article has been moved, see below, but there seems no justification for this. If we get no consensus to move, it will just have to be moved back. Andrewa (talk) 04:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

From the Survey section: The name of the game is "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition", there's no disputing that (my emphasis). No, that's one of several correct names for the game. The question is, which is best to use for the article, and especially in terms of WP:NC? There seems to be a rough consensus for the shorter name. Andrewa (talk) 04:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Moved

I decided to Be Bold and move it per naming conventions at WP:CVG/GL, namely "Always use the original official title of the game, and prefer English titles over foreign ones." There was really no need for a poll, it was a clear cut policy issue in this case. bibliomaniac15 00:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The rest of that sentence you quoted says "Subtitles and pre-titles are allowed if deemed appropriate but are not necessary. Usage of taglines in titles is not allowed.". As far as clear-cut policy goes, the policy states that such a move is "not necessary" (special pikachu edition is a subtitle, if that wasn't clear). And WP:BB says be bold, "not reckless". TheBilly (talk) 00:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
And it was approriate. I really don't get why you are against video game articles being at their correct name? The official name of the game includes the SPE part. TJ Spyke 00:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I think the move was a mistake. Once the discussion has started on WP:RM it should continue until either consensus is reached or seems unlikely, and then action should be based on that result. There seems no likelihood of consensus to move. Andrewa (talk) 06:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Nobody is against video articles being at their correct name. But there are several opinions about as to what qualifies as correct, and whether the official name matters very much. Andrewa (talk) 04:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment Five days have elapsed since the move to Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition was proposed. The result of this proposal was not to move. I am certain that the page move that occured during discussion was in good faith but since there was no consensus for this move, I am moving this back to Pokémon Yellow. --Lox (t,c) 20:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not waiting for consensus before moving. I had originally moved it because I saw that the internet reviews all referred to the game's full name. Whatever the case, I jumped the gun. I have fixed all the redirects that I've changed. bibliomaniac15 01:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
No need to apologise! As I said, I am certain that the move was in good faith and I would encourage you to be bold in future. Happy editing! --Lox (t,c) 11:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Agree. Very well said. Andrewa (talk) 18:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The name is silly

Sorry, but the box does not say "Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition", it says "Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition", or possibly "Pokémon: Special Pikachu Edition - Yellow Version". If we want to get down to it, the title of the game (and most Pokémon games) is just "Pokémon". "Yellow Version" is the subtitle, implying that it is a modified version of the same game. Crazy, right? Point is, this is an opinion of the correct title, but not the most common one, and the consensus was not to move, so it shouldn't have been moved. Being bold is good sometimes, reading discussions and paying attention to consensus are important, too. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge discussion

Please discuss here. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)