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[edit] Will the value of the cards increase?

I still have some mint conditions Original, Jungle and Fossile cards. Some normal, some holo, some first edition. Anyway, how much are the cards in general adding in value per year (or falling in value:( )?

-G


The PTCG is more of a players rather than a collectors game right now. Unless the cards you list are named Charizrd, Blastoise, or Venusaur, each is probably worth less than 2 dollars.
Spinach Dip 10:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • -Well, you are probably right that it is not a collector's game. But, more cards than just Charizard, Blastoise, and Venasaur are worth a lot. Some holographic EX cards are have at least a value of over $10.00 at the present time. HaLoGuY007 12:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


There are alot of cards worth over $10 right now. However, those cards are expensive because they are so strong, not collectable. Cards that are rotated out of Modified format (everything from base to Team Rocket Returns) are almost always worthless. There are a few (very few) notable exceptions. Spinach Dip 21:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rules? how is it played?

This article seems to be quite incomplete as an encyclopedia entry. For readers who don't know what it is, this article does not help in learning how the game is played. The article assume the readers already know how to play a trading card game. This lacks information on how the cards are handled in each round, what is considered a win/loss. What is the prize for win etc.? Does the winner takes the cards from the loser? How is the trading of the card related to the playing of the game etc.? None of these basics is in the article. I'd suggest an external link to a webpage with the official rules from the card game company. Kowloonese 07:28, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Good point! But I would prefer some experienced players, preferably professors to write it.

This isn't a game guide, though. This is a general encylopedia entry telling about the game, not how to play it. There are game guides all over the internet, including the basic How-To-Play guides. Go there if you want to know more. PantherFoxie 22:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Why is there an image of the Rare Candy on the article? Why not an image of a full card to show the reader what a Pokémon card looks like? I'd recommended a Pikachu card. -realwingus 09:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm being picky, but the card shown there is REALLY old...Shouldn't we get a scan of a card from a more recent set, preferably one from within the New Modified format? Ron Stoppable 19:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, why do we have cards that aren't playable and not easily obtainable representing this page? If anything this page should showcase each style of card in an additional section.

[edit] very rare

what do you think is the rarest card in the world? i think it is rocket's mewtwo. shadin

I'm sure the rarest Pokémon TCG card is one of the ones given out in Japanese contests, like the Illustrator card (the winner of the card had their art used for an actual card). Cards like that really are ONE-of-a-kind. --BPM 06:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rocket returns and beyond

I noticed that the Team Rocket Returns page and all those after it (i.e. delta species, emerald ect.) have no pages dedicated to them. Perhaps the TCG wikipdedia community could get started on it?

I've kept on going. I know a lot more about these new sets, so they're substantially longer and aren't stubs. I'd still really appreciate it if people who know more about the old sets than I do can fill in the blanks. Also, should I put up articles for game mechanics (such as retreating, Weakness, Resistance, Poké-Powers and Poké-Bodies, etc.)? Ron Stoppable 18:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I've edited/created pages for all sets including and after EX Unseen Forces, I'll start on pages for EX Emerald and before. Double Dash 21:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EX: Legend Maker

Should it go after EX Delta Species in the 'Delta Species' Series subsection? Or should it be at the end of the 'Originals' Series 2 subesction?

I'd be enclined to go for the former; as in the UK and North America it was released after EX Delta Species. Plus, it is technically the beginning of the series, as it introduces Delta Species Pokémon in the form of the Pikachu box topper.

But, I do think it'd fit at the end of 'Originals' Series 2. It just depends which is more suitable. Double Dash 15:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Illustrator List

I am preparing to create a new page: a simple list of illustrators who have worked on the cards. It probably won't be complete, only 57 names, but I reckon it could be a basis to start creating small pages for each illustrator - or at least some of the more regularly used guys. What do you think, good idea or pointless?--Ninty 18:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, definitely; there's scarce info on here about them. Double Dash 11:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
It is done! I've added a link at the bottom of this article, I'm just gonna do the same on the Pokemon card page--Ninty 19:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] peer review

This article has been nominated for peer review. In my opinion, this article is too long and detialed. For example, listing the outcomes of all major tournaments should not be here. A separate page for these would be more appropriate. All that is needed here is a list of the tournaments, not who won them. The content is mostly relevant, but some of it needs to be diverted into separate articles. Heavy Metal Cellisttalkcontribs

Alright, maybe we should think about that after we do all the existing tasks on the peer review page, cheers Minun (talk) 10:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I already did some work on the tournament section by splitting most of the content from the section "Pokemon Super Trainer Showdown" to it's own article. I also put in a "main article" link. The point still sticks, though; too much information is a bad thing. Heavy Metal Cellisttalkcontribs

[edit] Representative Card

I believe it would be best to use a standard back of a card rather than the front. This would make it seem more universal for the game, rather than just using a picture of a specific card. Anyone else agree? Xiivi 08:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It would be good to have 1 trainer, 1 energy, and 1 Pokemon. Hopefully something from modified-legal sets. I'm not sure if there's a point to use something that's on EVERY card in the game. Spinach Dip 02:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested Changes

To make this article better, this is what I suggest (listed by topic order):

Intro: Fine. May need some grammar editing, but that's all IMO.

Game Concepts (Original/Full Deck): Alright. May need some improvements involving certain types of cards, ie. Supporters, EXs, and Special Energy Cards. Also, remove the 'Original/Full Deck' Modifier.

Game Concepts (Half-deck/30-card deck): Looks very awkward where it is. IMO, it should be assimilated into the Game Concepts heading above.

Sets: Seems too long. IMO, the best idea is to remove the long list, and give some short overview as to which sets are modified legal at the moment, or something like that. Just make sure you keep the link to the main sets article.

Tournaments and Leagues: by subject now:

Pokemon Organised Play Program: Should be divided into 2 subjects; Casual Play, and Competitive Play. Casual would cover Leagues and Prereleases, while Competitive would cover everything from Weekly Tournaments to the World Championships. Should not be too in-depth, as that is the purpose of the Pokemon Organised Play article.

Tropical Mega Battle: IMO, this should be joined with the STS article, and the whole thing should be renamed 'Organised Play Under Wizards Of The Coast'.

Super Trainer Showdown: See above. Same advice.

Pokemon Card Labs (PCL): Deserves more emphasis. Afterall, PCL is the company that DESIGNS the cards.

Pokemon cards in Hong Kong: Does not belong. Might belong in a new article about OP differences over the world. Either way, it's not nearly important enough to belong on the main page.

Video Game Releases: Could be expanded slightly. Otherwise, it's just fine.


Other stuff: A comparison of the similarities and differences between the TCG and the RPG game would be interesting, and important to understanding how the two relate.

That's all for now. Discussion is welcome.

Spinach Dip 09:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

All of these seem to be very useful changes to the article; I emphatically support this. My main suggestion is to redirect the articles on EX Deoxys, Emerald, and what not to the main Set page, because there's already overviews for all those sets in the page. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
New idea: there ahould be a 'terminology' section, which would be important for describing important game concepts that are very basic to playing, but not exactly 'easy' to find over the internet. It could be an expansion of the 'Game Concepts' topic.
PS. Because of school, editing will likely start on Friday. Get your ideas in before then! Spinach Dip 10:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Did the intro today. Spinach Dip 07:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The intro definitely looks better. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 16:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Did a complete re-write of Game Concepts, and changed the half-deck explanation into an explanation of all 3 main deck types. Spinach Dip 09:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Did sets. Right now I'm wondering if anyone's really interested in what I'm doing...
Spinach Dip 01:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, look at it this way; since there hasn't been any objections to what you're doing yet, you're doing great. I think most of the participants in the project think it's nice, what you're doing, and that they'll be more interested once the page is fully rewritten. When you consider yourself done with all the big stuff you should announce it outright and there should be more editing and a possible effort to promote it into Good Article status. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 00:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Did some major changes tonight. Spinach Dip 11:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banned cards

The section on banned cards lists Super Energy Removal and Computer Search but says absolutely nothing about why they were banned. Some kind of explanation ought to be included in the article. --Brandon Dilbeck 08:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Italics?

Shouldn't Pokémon Trading Card Game be in italics, like Magic: The Gathering is? --SeizureDog 15:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change the image?

How would we go about changing the image at the top of the page? The cards haven't looked like that for years. I was thinking about this one: [1]. I got it here: [2]. It kind of stays with the theme, but just makes it more modern. Joiz A. Shmo 22:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

One without the "PokéBeach.com" branding might be more preferable. --Brandon Dilbeck 00:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (1) Metal Energy cards, and (2) prizes

  • The article currently says there are no basic energy cards. I have a card that looks like the other basic energy cards, but it is for metal. So is the article outdated? NB My card is a Japanese Pokemon card bought in Japan, however the Japanese energy cards only have English on them anyway.
  • With the prizes, the rules say when you get each prize you put it in your hand. I'm wondering how this commonly works in play with regards to whether the ownership of the prize cards are supposed to change? The prizes remind me of Magic The Gathering's original 'ante' whereby the winner won a random card off the losing player. MTG's ante was originally contentious as parallels were drawn with gambling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RevJohn (talk • contribs) 12:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
  • Basic Metal and Darkness Energy cards are due to be released in an English-language set on May 8, 2007.
  • The ownership of Prize cards doesn't change. If you Knock Out one of your opponent's Pokémon, you take one of the Prize cards on your size of the playing area (i.e. one of the Prize cards that you laid out at the start of the game) and put it into your hand.
Hope that helps. And in future, please sign comments with ~~~~, but without the nowiki tags. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 16:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks muchly Cipher! And yes using your own cards as Prize cards obviously works a lot better, we misinterpreted the rules... RevJohn 11:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Erm... o.O

I just wanted to point out that I highly doubt that the most common way to win is by getting all six prizes. You can't even prove that. There's no source on it. I recommend changing this, and making it simply "There are three ways to win, the FIRST of which is..." and so on. It makes it much more... well... realistic. T.z0n3 22:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Of course that is the most common way. You almost always will win or lose because of this. There isn't really a percentage, it's just pretty obvious. HaLoGuY007 12:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually, to my experience it is just as common to win by your opponent having no pokemon in play as it is to win by taking prizes Captain Carrot 11:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
My point exactly. A person there disagrees with you. And it doesn't matter if it's 'obvious'. Wikipedia can't pubish "2+2=4" unless it has a source. T.z0n3 04:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude. It just has never happened to me yet. It's just an opinion anyway. There probably is a source on it too, why don't you go check, such as in tournaments. Captain Carrot, it appears to me that you do not have a high pokemon to trainer/energy ratio (I hope I said that right) in your deck(s). I have many pokemon with a few trainers and an average amount of energys. I am not an expert player, I just play for fun. Sorry if I was being mean or something. HaLoGuY007 21:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

  • No offence taken :) I was actually referring to the more common way I win, not the more common way I lose :P I only run about 14-18 energy in any deck and never run out through use of trainers. my ration of pokemon/trainers/energy is normally about 24/20/16 or thereabouts.
  • Okay thanks. I'm going to probably look up the source and see if it says what the most common way was winning in a tournament or some other statistic.

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I am a major tournament player, and I can tell you that in my experience, tournament games are won by taking all 6 prizes about 90% of the time.
If you couldn't post something just because it's unsourced, this article would be 10 words long right now. Spinach Dip 19:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Then delete the article. Either source it, or its gone. I used to work on a page here for a third party game called "Endless Online". We nearly deleted the page (even though we played the game and knew most everything about it) simply because we couldn't find any sources to use. That's how things work. T.z0n3 15:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metal/gold cards?

I think there should be a note here about the gold plated pokemon cards given away at burger king a while back. They're not playing cards,but are made of a heavy metal, coated with gold. I think there were six, one of which was Jigglypuff. I have one,and can provide pictures. ~DragonSparke —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.175.157 (talk) 15:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

They weren't cards for the trading card game, therefore, not important. -Sukecchi 19:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, in thatcase, do you know where I can find info on them? ~DragonSparke

You can most likely find info on them from Burger King (unless they scrapped it already). Or Pokemon TCG, because they gave Burger King the right to make them. They must have some type of information, unless the cards are too old. I hope I helped you on your quest to find the holy info on gold plated cards. HaLoGuY007 21:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Those cards are old, worthless, and completely non-notable. In short, no. Spinach Dip 23:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Types table

I think it would be nice if someone can scan up some images for the energy cards. We could include some thumbnails of the cards on the table of types. Another alternative would be if somebody could photoshop the type symbols and insert them in the table. ANDROS1337 21:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, the cards and the images on them are copyrighted. I don't think the fair use clause would allow us to add these pictures here, and I don't think it meets Wikipedia's free use policies. Sure, the pictures would pretty up the article, but this is an encyclopedia; it doesn't have to be pretty. --Brandon Dilbeck 21:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, we have several scans of cards for Mattel's UNO card game, I don't see what would be the big difference with Pokémon cards. ANDROS1337 23:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

You said only 2 players can play at a time. Your wrong! There are 2 on 2 Team battles, there's 1 0n 2 battles, 1 on 2 Team battles (only if the person battling alone is really really good). Dude867 23:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon organized Play does not recognize 2-on-2 as a viable format. If they say it doesn't exist, then it simply doesn't.
K? Spinach Dip 01:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legality in San Diego

I heard a few years ago that they were outlawed in San Diego because people were attacking each other over them. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.103.81.3 (talk • contribs)

They've been outlawed at a school I used to attend, and a few others before I got there. The announcement was about yu-gi-oh (this was a long time ago) and the principal said they were banned for "Suggestive Themes, like pokemon". Crowstarcaws 17:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Absolute nonsense. Spinach Dip 08:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1998 Fad

There is no mention about the high demand for the cards, especially holos, when the game first came out in the U.S. MMetro 07:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to add something about it, then. Spinach Dip 22:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fake Cards

There's not too much information on fake cards, I don't mean the ones that people make with the likes of Sonic The Hedgehog on the front, but instead the rip off cards, sold as real cards, anyone have any advanced information, beyond the fact of "They may be printed on inferior quality card"?  Doktor  Wilhelm  19:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I suggest an article rewrite from scratch

WOW. This article is mud, totally lacking any sort of references and completely filled with unverified statements (and not even correct ones to boot). The one statement that got me to realize that something was extremely wrong was this one:

  • Sneasel - The first card that WotC banned was Sneasel from the set Neo Genesis. Sneasel was banned before it ever became legal for play outside of Japan

That statement is absolutely wrong. Well yes, it was banned, but not "before it ever became legal for play outside of Japan".

Then there's also the total omission of Worlds 2002 in Seattle from the "Major tournaments under Wizards of the Coast" section, as well as Wizards' final even at GenCon Indy 2003.

I'm almost tempted to rewrite this entire article myself... but I'm hoping someone else who knows what they're talking about will do it instead. For something as important and widespread as the Pokemon TCG, it deserves a much better article than this. - Nick15 (talk) 13:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Regular Contributors (Please Read)

I have tagged this page for deletion for the reasons noted on its articles for deletion page: please read and consider, this needs deleting. Cheers, Cipher (Talk) 22:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pokemon AIDS

What was the black mould that used to rot away Pokemon cards? You know the vivid black circles which can be scraped off the cards? In school kids used to say that the black stuff growing on cards could spread to other cards. I have witnessed the damaging effect of Pokemon AIDS and seen it spread through an entire deck. I cannot be the only person who has experienced this - I would like to know what that black crap was but also how to get it off the cards permanently. I think it’s some kind of Pokemon card eating fungus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatcud (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Banned Players

"Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons should be removed immediately" as per Template:Fact. (I accidentally cited WP:Fact when making my edit -- that was incorrect.) Extra care needs to be taken when describing living persons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urzatron (talk • contribs) 18:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)