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Archives

Archive 1 (October 2003 - April 2006)
Archive 2 (May 2006 - February 2007)
Archive 3 (February 2007 - December 2007)

Contents

Question about reference

I quote the following from the main article, section Animal cruelty:

Seen from this point of view, the game consists primarily of Pokémon trainers capturing and bartering in wild animals, coercing them to fight one another.

This section has as a reference the http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/planet0/intpoke.htm link. In other words, the article is using as reference a page hosted in a free host with a little more than 1500 visits. Does the article really need this non notable link? Can't a better one be found? Or just delete the reference, as it is not reliable at all. Otherwise, anyone would get a free account, upload a page, and then use it to backup some opinion in Wikipedia ;-) -- ReyBrujo 06:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It is an example of an anti-pokémon site made by someone who, unlike most other anti-pokémon site makers, does have brains. But it shouldn't be a real source indeed.
Talking about sources by the way, I see that the Controversy and criticism section has been backed up pretty good over the last few months. Good going! Now the only two things that need a good source are the Animal cruelty and the Americanization.
Face 12:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

pokemoncenter.com

I am unsure how to make my comment; I have never commented on Wikipedia before. My suggestion is just for another official Pokemon site - Pokemon Center www.pokemoncenter.com is the official merchandise site for Pokemon. I figured that it should be included at the end of the Pokemon wiki article. Powers.andy 14:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

If it's really an official site, it should be there. - Face 17:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the official www.pokemon.com site links to it from their SHOP button in their top navigation. Powers.andy 15:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Zbtb7...

is unrelated to the subject of this article, already has its own article, and is mentioned in the "see also" thing at the top of this article, so it doesn't need a section. Ashibaka tock 18:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Use capital letters please. It's relevant. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Please don't delete something without consensus. I've reverted it. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I didn't see you contest my reason for removing it. I don't think Nintendo had anything to do with the naming of Zbtb7. So, it has nothing to do with the subject of the article, viz., "Pokémon is a multi-billion dollar media franchise created by Satoshi Tajiri in 1996..." It's a totally separate thing. Ashibaka tock 20:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo sued them, it's a prime example of mutilation of Japanese names, missing the é. They named it after Pokémon, the ideas of the monsters, which is more cultural impact. It has got plenty to do with the "multi-billion dollar media franchise". Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not important enough that it gets its own section. Like, there isn't an entire section for Sam Buck's Coffee under Starbucks. Ashibaka tock 21:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Should we have a straw poll then? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Who else is editing this article? Ask for WP:3O maybe. Ashibaka tock 22:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
The WikiProject, WikidSmaht, Face, Anthony Jake La, lots. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually I always thought that disambig on the top of this article was ugly. The Zbtb7 does have something to do with Pokémon because it was named 'Pokemon' and Nintendo sued them about it. It's a nice little section, nice little trivia. It's good as it. Delete that disambig instead! -- Face 18:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The point of a disambiguation is to point people to separate articles that have nothing to do with the subject, like this one. Ashibaka tock 00:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Precisely. The disambig is there to point readers interested in molecular biology away from the game/characters and towards the subject they are looking for. Burying information on the gene deep in the article doesn't help at all for that (who would read through an article on Pokemon hoping for information on gene expression?). I don't mind if you take out the section on Zbtb7 in the article, but I strongly think the disambig should stay where it is. bikeable (talk) 00:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly with Bikeable above. This seems clear-cut to me. Zbtb7 has nothing to do with Pokémon so it needs a disambg at the top and no section uin the article. I'll remove it now. --Celestianpower háblame 21:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

I archived the 91kb long talk page, the links can be found at the top. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

So, could someone explain to me how this page got vandalized? --Anonymous dude—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.73.120.13 (talk • contribs) 03:43, May 13 2006 (UTC)

When was it vandalized? Or did you mean this talk page?( The talk page isn’t protected.) Anyway, pretty simple, someone with an account clicked “edit this page” and vandalized it. Still, vandalism is way down( on the article) since the semiprotection was enacted. This article used to get hit several times a day. And “--Anonymous dude” isn’t good enough. You have to sign posts with four tildes( ~~~~). -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
The talk page vandalism have rocketed though, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 08:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I’m not sure that’s the term I’d use, and even with the increase, it’s nothing compared to the old article vandalism. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 08:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
What I meant was that the talk page vandalism has rocketed compared to what it was (none or very little). Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 09:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok I think we should lock this page I know that little children look at this. My little brother saw a word that he never knew (about sex). Spareus151 22:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC) —

That's not a good reason to lock it. No admin is going to even think of protection because one vandal happened to put obscene things up. -Amarkov babble 23:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Linking to Serebii

Serebii.net, which I added to the article, got removed. it has everything a Pokemon fan needs to know -- and more. Like Berrydexes, Attackdexes, etc, none of which you could find at Pokemon.com. MasterMew 01:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with MasterMew. Even I my self visit Serebii.net and find much inforation relating to pokemon there. Even news from Japan (such as Diaond/Pearl) appeared there. It even has a large fan base with several thousand registered members in it's forums the last time I checked. --fnfd 05:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
What it comes down to is, it’s a fansite. A great one, but a fansite nonetheless. It is not in anyway official or affiliated with Nintendo. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 07:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hm...OK. Maybe linking to NetBattle, because it's legal, so must be in some way affiliated with Nintendo.
Hm...well, no need linking to Serebii. Most every Pokemon fan knows about it. MasterMew 12:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
That’s ridiculous. Just because Nintendo hasn’t prosecuted them, doesn’t mean it’s legal, and certainly doesn’t mean they are affiliated. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
o.o NetBattle is illeagal? Oh my god...I thought seeing somewhere on the site that it was completely 100% legal... -deletes off of computer-

MasterMew 13:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Meh, I don’t know enough about copyright law or NetBattle to say for sure, but it looks to me like they are using Nintendo’s intellectual property without explicit consent, so, yes, that would be illegal. On their part, not yours. I wouldn’teven start to worry until/unless Nintendo shuts them down. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

If Netbattle WAS illegal, I'd delete it right now, but AFAIK it's not. They're not trying to get profits or anything -_- Blue Mirage 09:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

NetBattle isn't illegal. It's not an emulation of any Pokemon game, and as stated above, the creators make no profit off of the software. Even if it was illegal, Nintendo obviously doesn't care about it, as some NOA employees know about NB and have done nothing to stop it.Anyway, the main site for NetBattle isn't supported anymore and has shut down, so we can't add a link for it. Brown Bomber 04:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Plot holes

I think there should be a part in the article that talks about plot holes.

two that I know of is Brocks mother's death, but she is seen in a the episode it is revealed that Brock left his Ludicolo with his family.

The other being that only Psychics can use Psychic Pokémon as mentioned in the episode where Ash goes up against Sabrina, yet many trainers are seen with them, and in a lost episode that was shown during the Johto years, A Girafarig was featured in episode #158 ("The Psychic Sidekicks"). A whole town was seen using Psychic Pokémon, with no apparent Psychic ability.Yami 07:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It had already been revealed in a Pokémon Chronicles, in "A Family That Battles Together, Stays Together", Brock's mother took over the Pewter City gym. I think the theory is, Brock's mother either went on holiday, it was noted how many varing hobbies she had, or she was hiding in a similar fashion to Brock's father. Anyway, that is too central to the Pokémon anime, but you can bring it up at Talk:Pokémon (anime), if you wish. And Sabrina was stubborn. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 09:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
In the anime article, maybe, but not the main article. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 09:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Brock's mother being dead is a dub edit and later inconsistency as they DID dub the specials they weren't expecting to see his mother mentioned in, let alone appearing as a character in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.116.140.39 (talk • contribs) .

Remove backmasking comment

I'm talking about this part of the article:

Also, when the main theme song for the television show is sung in English, the lyrics “gotta catch ’em all” are alleged to say “I love Satan” or “oh Satan” when played backwards, which is known as “backmasking”. This has left some Christians and Christian organizations believing that Pokémon subliminally encourages Satanism. However, backmasking in general is highly controversial and debatable, leaving room for much skepticism.

I think it is unnecessary and uninformative. In my opinion it should be removed. People have these sorts of stupid conspiracy theories (hidden messages etc.) about all sorts of things. 'Controversial' is understating it; the claim is complete nonsence. Wikipedia can't afford to comment on every stupid belief that people come up with. Karadoc** 10:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Word. Important controversies should be left in, but this is...well, silly. SKS2K6 07:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon.com

Please read the Pokémon terms of use. Go to that website, at the bottom of the page it says terms of use. CLick the link, scroll to the section saying LINKING. It says you are not allowed to link back to that site (Even though its sound a bit stupid. I Love Minun 15:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Please sign messages on talk pages. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's the relevent text for the extra lazy:

Pokemon.com does not allow or condone links to its web site, pages, materials, or information without prior inspection, evaluation, and written consent by Pokémon. Pokemon.com is not responsible for maintaining any materials referenced from another site, and makes no warranties for that site or this in such context. For consideration and permission for an inter-site link, please contact us feedback@Pokemon.com Pokémon makes every effort to screen sites linked from this site for appropriate content, but is not responsible for content on a site out of its control.

It sounds like they're just saying they're not responsible for who links to them. I doubt they mean would (and I know they can't) persue and legal action against those that link to pokemon.com. -- Desire Campbell 142.68.181.167 23:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Protection

I don't see any mention on talk of why this is semiprotected and it's apparently been semiprotected a good long while, so I'm going to disable the protection. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

It's in the archive. Bring on the vandals ; ) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 12:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Way to go Black! I've just removed a whole bunch of vandalism again :-(. Hmm... I've changed my mind about this protection btw. It should only be done at controversial articles. The vandalism I see here is mostly out of boredom. In fact, I think it's a good thing this article isn't protected anymore. It's better that people demolish this guarded article then that they demolish other less-guarded articles. I'll be here to rv if necesary anyway. - Face 09:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, good thought. I figured semi-protection was the ideal way to go when it came to preventing those IP addresses from doing this page, but this page can be seen as a corral for vandalism because it will at least tone down the vandalsm on all the other pages. Erik the Appreciator 20:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Jimbo got hounded for saying that articles like George Bush (and Pokémon) should be protected forever. I'll be here to rm smut always. It isn't even good smut, replacing "cock-fighting" with "cock-sucking" is not remotely amusing. Give us something good at least! Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
NEVER listen to HighwayCello —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iloveminun (talk • contribs) .
User:Iloveminun, please do not allow your sockpuppet problems with me overspill into article discussion. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 16:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Caption on Image:Plusle and Minun.jpg

There is a discussion going on for the caption on the below image

Image:Plusle and Minun.jpg

The discussion is at Talk:Minun#Discuss Image caption, please write your comments on what you think would be a good caption, more details are mentioned on that page. Thanks, I Love Minun (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism removed

The following vandalism was removed from the game card description:

"bePokemon is stupid Pokemon is stupid Pokemon is stupid Pokemon is stupid Game card." DocDee 22:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha! That's a classic! -- Face 18:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

References problem

Is there a way to mirror PHP pages to which this articles refers, so that they stay in existence? For example this source:
"Pokémon USA Takes Over Pokémon Licensing"
...which does not exist anymore. I have tried to wayback what I can, but the Internet Archive Wayback Machine refuses/is unable to store .php pages. Is there an alternative way to store this usefull information somewhere? -- Face 21:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It is not that they refuse, either a robots.txt file was changed, or they changed the id format. You usually can find an alternative (and existing) source (in example, this link may replace the previous one). If not, all you can do is assume good faith and believe the reference existed and that, when it was added, was checked by other people. -- ReyBrujo 21:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean with "They don't refuse it but they changed the id format"?
Thanks for the Gamesutra article anyway! I've added the information again. -- Face 11:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The Wayback Machine was able to save some links from the pressrelease, but then stopped. They may have changed the format, or just don't answer to bots requests. Note that the lost story has an id of 8081, while the newest (as of June 14) entry has an id of 1784. [1] In any case, my suggestion is to spend a couple of minutes googling for a similar story, and if not found, assume good faith and keep the link until someone else is able to replace it. -- ReyBrujo 11:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Aha. You mean the variable id from the php file. Thanks! -- Face 13:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Nomination

Dear editors of the Pokémon article,

I have seen a responsible group of Wikipedians over at Misty's article. They have managed to withstand not having a Romantic Relationship section on the page. I wish to nominate them for virtual medals, if there are any. Thank you. 65.103.86.243

Image Placement

I don't think the Image:ana.b747.pokemon.arp.750pix.jpg belongs in the Americanization section. It should definitely be moved, but which section of the article would it most be suited to? Ppk01 11:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the baloon (which is in Pikachu) and moved the plane up there. Cool? Highway Batman! 18:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Setting section

Anonymous user 69.108.99.140 has removed the Setting section [2]. Understandable. But I liked it so much I've moved it to the Pokémon regions article. Cheers, Face 18:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a vandal, not a newb. Highway Batman! 19:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
A vandal who (almost) got away with that. Anyway, I still think it fits better at Regions. It's not really that important that it should be at the main Pokémon article, don't you think? Cheers, Face 19:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Electric or Computer

Is is Electric Soldier Porygon or Computer Soldier Porygon? This article uses both. My extremely poor knowledge of Japanese (and the help of a Japanese dictionary) puts it as "Electric brain Soldier Porygon" (Electric Brain being a common nickname for the computer in Japan), but I'd like a more native Japanese speaker to check (the title in Japanese is "電脳戦士ポリゴン"). smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 21:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Serebii lists it as Electric I think. Go by what it used as the main one List of banned Pokémon episodes. Highway Batman! 22:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Let's look at the kanji. 電 is den, meaning electricity. 脳 is nōzuru, meaning brain or memory. 電脳 is dennō, meaning electronic brain. 電算 densan or 電子計算機 denshikeisanki are the Japanese words for computer, apparently. Either way, just "electric" is not an accurate translation in the least. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 21:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Accuracy doesn't really enter into it. Per WP:MOS, we should be using the most common English-language name, however inaccurate a translation it may be. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Beginning of Pokemon

The initial paragraph says that Pokemon was created in February 1996. This is not fully accurate. The initial paragraph of this article does reference that Pokemon is derived from the Japense Poketto Monsutā, meaning "Pocket Monsters". Indeed, Pokemon was initially sold in English under the term Pocket Monsters until the (obvious to native English speakers) connotations of that phrase became apparent and the English name was changed in early 1996 from Pocket Monsters to Pokemon. Pokemon was first copyrighted in the United States in 1995. I'm going to add this into the main article and I'd appreciate it if my change was not removed a second time. Banaticus 21:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Goals header

Removed from the article:

“ At the beginning with the goals of the play and the inventor one deals briefly, so that those, which do not know Pokémon, have a conception of the article, which is appropriate for the following sections to marketing and to the educational discussion to reason. The locking fourth part “play contents” presents then the contentwise possibilities in detail and contacts thereby rather the play-interested specialist. With the different play generations such as red and blue or ruby and sapphire down the section of “Pokémon plays” and in detail the contribution of Pokémon plays deal. Furthermore this contribution contains information about Pokémon plagiarisms.

Collect. The player can collect all different Pokémon kinds, by catching, exchanging or on other ways receiving her. This play goal serves always the collecting passion already existing with children, the traditional stamp thereby from virtual, creatively shapable collecting objects is replaced. While the collection “stamps” referred its attraction always also from the possibility to be able the collection friends and friends or parents “show” this incentive is with Pokémon by a systems-inherent reward system with congratulation and document with reaching a certain collecting stage replaces.

Match. The player tried to become “Pokémon masters”. In addition the player lets his received Pokémon in Pokémon fights so mentioned against other Pokémon begin, in order to train and make it stronger in this way. With in such a way trained Pokémon it applies to exist in the match against the Pokémon of other Pokémon coaches. As last challenge the player must the elite of the Pokémon league (also the Top 4 called) finally opposite-steps, in order to achieve the title of the champion.

 ”

I have no idea what's going on here; it seems like a Babelfish translation. Does anyone want to try and rewrite this? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a psychiatrist, or a specialist at least, talking about Pokémon, and it's appeal. Which explains the gibber. Either way, it should be shunned, it's either a copy vio or just nonsense. It shouldn't even be in Game mechanics. Highway Batman! 13:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it was copied from another Wikipedia —M inun Spiderman 13:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I had it pegged at Babelfish translation, then. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Aplogy for making it poorly written, but I don't see how its nonsense, its just not well written, would be prefectly find if it was rewritten —M inun Spiderman 13:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
It's nearly gibberish. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
And it says "you can catch Pokémon - why it makes it popular with 8 year olds", "you can battle Pokémon - why it makes it popular for eight year olds". I don't think copying random notes of the German wikipedia is the way to go. Highway Batman! 14:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, it was just because it was featured on that Wikipedia, but its no big deal —M inun Spiderman 15:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
What language Wikipedia was it featured on? Ryūlóng 05:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
By the looks of it, it's just explaining that in Pokémon you catch Pokémon and you fight against other people who catch them. Probably an alternate language explanation of the basics of the game mechanics, and a whole bunch of other stuff that makes no sense. Ryūlóng 05:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

German. Highway Batman! 09:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Trading Card Company Lawsuit

Hello. I have a few questions about a statement I read in an old version of this article. It said an amercian Parents/Christian fundmenalists(I can`t remember which one)group was suing Wizards Of the Coast and baseball card companies because they clamied paying for and collecting packs of random cards would constitute illegal gambling(Or something like that. I can`t really remember). 1. did this really happen? and 2. Does anyone have a link to a news article(Or any article in general with more information)? Thanks in advance. --DragonBlazer57 2:43, 18 July, 2006

Article length

As we all can see, this article is getting rather long, so I suggest moving the Controversy and criticism section to its own article, as it's almost a 6th of the article. DanPMK 11:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

As of now, I don't think TCG and manga get nearly enough coverage, so does anyone think we could move most of it Pokémon in other media? Or something similar, we could have what we have know (more or less), but expansion could continue on the sub page. Highway Batman! 11:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I've done it, its now at Pokémon controversy and criticism, feel free to make the nessecary expansion. I had also made
  1. Pokémon Appearances in Super Smash Bros.
  2. Pokémon on the Wii

cheers —M inun Spiderman 11:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

There isn't any point merging out paragraphs. Highway Return to Oz... 13:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

GA failing

This article is no where near FA or even GA, and many of the problems still stand from the failed FAC. The article needs a copy-edit, the prose is mostly horrid. The article isn't still stable, since certain editors keep shoving paragraphs of the article all over the place. Large sections are completely unreferenced, and the prose needs to be more wide since large chunks were cut out. There are also lacking Fair Use Rationales. Please look at the following words - Do not add nominations which are clearly not ready just hoping for a easy editor. Highway Return to Oz... 15:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I just want to be a good editor —M inun Spiderman 18:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

editorials

Pokémon, being a popular franchise, has undoubtedly left its mark on pop-culture. The Pokémon characters themselves have become pop-culture icons; examples include the Pikachu balloon at a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, a Pokémon-styled Boeing 747-400 (pictured), thousands of merchandise items, a theme park in Nagoya, Japan in 2005 and Taipei in 2006. Pokémon also appeared on the cover of Time Magazine in 1999. The Comedy Central show Drawn Together has a character named Ling-Ling which is a direct parody of Pikachu. Several other shows such as ReBoot, The Simpsons and South Park have made references to Pokémon, among other series.

Why are editorials like this allowed? I can imagine reading this in Newsweek or Time, but it doesn't sound appropriate at all in a reference work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.238.180 (talk • contribs) .

This isn't just appropriate, this is necessary for the article. Since Pokémon is a work of fiction, we have to follow WP:WAF and write in an out-of-universe perspective in order for this article to be any good. We have to show examples of why Pokémon is so relevant in real life. PCEevee talk 20:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Banned Eps.

The page speaks of banned episodes - what does it mean by banned? That it won't be shown on a certain channel or that the government made it illegal to show it? --A Sunshade Lust 00:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, the choice is made by the TV stations, probably made under pressure from the people concerned about content, such as the Jynx one; some other ones more preemptive, such as the Tentacuel one, and the earthquake. DanPMK 05:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
It depends, Nintendo has chosen not to air some episodes so in a sense they are not really banned. TJ Spyke 04:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

What are we going to do about Vandalism?

Alright, instead of posting this on all 500 Pokemon articles (that should be about right, right? Because 403 Pokemon, then a bunch of assorted articles...;)) I decided I'd post it here, at the heart of Wikipedia's Pokemon articles. As many of us know, a four year old chimpanzee has been vandalising many of the Pokemon articles. There seems to be no way of stopping this other than locking every article, which would be stupid. Any suggestions? ShadowUltra 19:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The vandal, who if he wasn't on an AOL connection would have been fried by Raul by now according to him, is repeatedly vandalizing templates that appear in all the creature articles, causing a giant *coughs* to appear in every single Pokémon page, and in the case of Friday, the Main Page. The way to fix this problem is to protect the said templates from new accounts editing them, and to block all editors who do this to the templates. At present, accounts need to be at least 4 days old to bypass protection, so this will slow him considerably. Cheers, Highway Return to Oz... 19:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Now there's an idea that should have been thought up earlier! Realistically, all templates should be protected because they're more mechanical than the articles themselves, which are more content-based, and while any IP address can give potentially good edits to the content of articles, only the more experienced Wikipedians should tinker with the templates. By the way, when it comes to the content of the vandalism in question, I suspect an ulterior motive in calling the culprit a 4-year-old-chimp. ^_^ Erik the Appreciator 01:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Great idea, I support this all the way! WikiSlasher 11:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
It is a risky decision, some templates such as Template:Pokémon species are awfully complicated, while others, like Template:Pokenum, thrives on new users. I think we should discuss at the project talk page, because it is a risky decision. Highway Return to Oz... 11:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Older children 'ripping off' the younger ones edit

The recent edit which I reverted included this in the trading card section:

In Australia, Pokemon Trading Cards caused widespread problems throughout Primary Schools, as older children were 'ripping off' the younger ones. Often causing the teacher to be abused by disgruntled parents. A severe case of rage was when Principal Gabriel O'Keeffe was kinghit by a yobbo.

well while it is funny, it's not in the style of what Wikipedia is for. I thought if it should go anywhere it would be Controversy and Criticism. The info is true, (well don't know about the kinghit by a yobbo part :P) but didn't think it should go in the main section. Schools ban popular stuff sometimes when they think it'll resolve problems, although I disagreed with this action at my old school and thought it was stupid. IMO the kids should be smart enough not to get ripped off. WikiSlasher 11:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC) EDIT: Read it again and found no mention was made about them being banned from schools. Sorry about the misquote, sometimes I read things that aren't there :( Also, the only thing I know that has happened is kids being ripped off, not anything else. I changed the title of this section as well accordingly. WikiSlasher 11:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters in 1995?

“ Nintendo originally literally translated Poketto Monsutā — indeed, a "Pocket Monsters" game was created in early 1995. ”

OK, where did this come from all of a sudden? Does this statement refer to the Japanese version? (Well, of course it does; it's only common sense that it would have to be a Japanese title.) But that still doesn't explain what the heck it's trying to convey. If anyone would care to enlighten me, please do. Otherwise, I'm removin' it. --Ppk01 12:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Banaticas(sp) explained his reasoning in this topic. But theres no source.--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 12:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Questionable Source

In the Americanization section under Controversy and Criticism the first sentence is documented to source number 21. The first sentence reads: "Both critics and fans of the Pokémon franchise have criticized the apparent Americanization of the franchise, claiming that American companies use Pokémon as a tool to exploit children of their (or their parents’) money". This seems to be a speculation as the source that it is directed from is a Pokemon Crystal game review. In the case that it is speculation, there is plagiarism involved also as a sentence in the game review resembles the first sentence of the Americanization section. The sentence in question reads: "Also, on your way you try to overthrow Team Rocket, a group of evil trainers who want to exploit Pokemon for money".Source 21 This content should be removed to avoid criticism and copyright infringement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temblor (talk • contribs)

How is it copyright violation? —Minun Spiderman • Review Me 10:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Not a copyright violation, but is still completly and utterly and absoutly ridiclous. Even if there is a source, it's still an incredibly ludicous and unreliable source. This shouldn't even be permitted on the Wiki article to begin with, and it's plain stupidity to even have it there. I would reccomend a speedy deletion of that absurdity. Wikipedia is for facts. Not ridiculous heresay from uncredible sources.

Can this: "An example of this is and alleged subliminal message in the original pokemon theme song( if you reverse the line "You teach me and I'll teach you" you can make out "We need money, yes we do"" ....honestly be of any importance or vaule to the article? Alledged or not, it's just absurd to any rational, thinking person. It's inclusion, to me, smells of biased hatred written and linked to with an uncredible source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.227.191.185 (talk • contribs)

Pokemon ? in a circle

I'd be grateful if someone knowledgable could take a look and decide if this article is worth keeping and if so, make it into something readable/useful. --Dweller 12:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

What article? If that ever existed, it doesn't anymore. Probably CSD. The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)



Number of Units Sold

What is the actual number of units sold? And what is the total profit? The article says 150+ million units have been sold, but the next sentence says 143 million. Is there a definite number? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.20.121 (talk • contribs)

Drugs addition to animal cruelty

An IP user added a passage in the middle of the animal cruelty section, detailing possible drugs references within the series. As there were no references provided, I reverted the addition. If any references can be found that are not used to infer but to source a statement, then I have no problem with it being added again. Thought I'd be courtious and let you all know LinaMishima 19:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The person might've been referring to the fact that in Pokémon Red and Blue there is a shop called the "Drugs store" which stuff like Protein, Iron, Carbos and Calcium can be bought from (these are given to the Pokémon to improve their stats). WikiSlasher 12:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
There as more, too, including speculation about canabis. If you're interested, it's on the history. Probably debatable information that is hard to reference LinaMishima 12:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow that was fast...anyway I must admit I didn't bother to check the history the first time. I see what you're talking about now page diff but I searched the Internet and found nothing - if you ask me that person's been smoking too many green herbs and eating too many wild mushrooms themselves heh WikiSlasher 12:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of the drugstore, a reference to "performance-enhancing drugs" is too much a loaded term with its implications toward steroid abuse. Protein, Iron, Carbos, etc. are minerals recognized in an unambiguously positive light as necessities for good health, and I can't imagine any controversy over that--nor is any cited. 19:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

What Happened?!

What happened to the Pokemon article?! It's completely gone!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown Dragon (talk • contribs)

It was vandalised; somebody blanked it. It has been restored now. talk to JD wants e-mail 00:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Updating the Starters section of the Article

In the Starter's section of the article, it details the starters which can be picked in the various Pokémon games, but it fails to mention the starters for the two Gamecube games: Pokémon Colosseum and Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness. Now, granted, in these two games you don't *pick* your starters, but I still think they should be mentioned since they *are* starters for a Pokémon RPG. I'll edit and add them in but if anyone thinks they shouldn't be there, feel free to revert and let me know why they shouldn't be. Undrhil 00:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

German Wikipedia has bad Pokémon logo

Yeah, I mean just look at it...very poor quality jpeg. If any users of the German Wikipedia wanna upload our ultimately superior one they should --WikiSlasher 10:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Special split

Under the section where changes in the gameboy games from the first to the second generation there is something I'd like to add. While the article as it exists now has almost everything, they forgot the addition of the Special Defence stat. In the first generation the abilities that a pokemon developed as it grew levels were Speed, Attack, Defence, HP, and Special. In the second generation, the Special stat was split into two, Special attack (equivalent to Special) and Special Defence (opposing stat to Special Attack)

Redirect Issues

Get rid of that redirect. When I go there it says "Pokemon, from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Redirected from Pokemon" and that shouldn't be there because they are both the same. Change it. 24.121.73.22 02:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a technical thing, I don't think it can be changed easily. --WikiSlasher 11:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Because it is dumb that there is no difference between the redirect notice and the article name. 24.121.73.22 00:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is a difference; when I first came to this article I thought the same thing. Pokemon redirects to the true name Pokémon. THL 04:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Then how do they expect us to type that? Keyboards don't have an "e" like that! HyperSonicBoom 01:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC) (24.121.73.22, new account)

They don't, but it should be at the correct name. -Amarkov blahedits 01:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Electric/Computer Soldier Porygon episode name

See discussion at Wikipedia talk:Pokémon Collaborative Project#Electric/Computer Soldier Porygon. --WikiSlasher 04:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


"The multi-billion-dollar Pokémon media franchise"

Does every page about an individual Pokemon have to start with this phrase? It's one of the most obnoxious things I've ever seen on Wikipedia and if I knew how to do it without taking several hours I'd take it out of every article it's in, except the main Pokemon article. Consider, at least, that it becomes quite redundant when looking through multiple articles, and readers can find out such information about the franchise from the main article — knowing how much money the series making doesn't help me understand Wooper any better. Zincomog 17:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It'll be a huge pain to change it for every article, but other than that and the fact that it's part of the pokestart template, I can't give you a reason. -Amarkov babble 17:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it was noted in an article FAC that articles about the notability of the series, so we added the note to the set introduction, which we use in every article. Highway Grammar Enforcer! 18:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Could someone PLEASE explain what the heck was used to vandalize this page?!?! 206.109.20.12 01:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC) SODA_JUNKY

Theme song

Add the pokemon theme songs. My bro keeps bugging me.Thekostiknator

Those are going to be added to the Pokémon Anime article if they haven't already. THL 01:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem with adding the theme songs is that even the lyrics copyrighted and we're not supposed to list the entirity of song lyrics in articles. --Brandon Dilbeck 16:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I just reverted someone's edit that created a Music section. I think it's a good idea to the main article (the edit was just written opiniated and I wanted to discuss it first). There's a 10th anniversary soundtrack coming out isn't there? If nothing else, that should be mentioned. Oh yeah, it's not just the anime and movies; the games have music, too. Kochdude388 22:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Fourth generation pictures?

Can I just ask - where have all the pictures for the new Pokemon from Diamond and Pearl gone? Mikaruge, Perap et al have no pictures at all, whereas only four days ago every single one did. I'd just like to know why the pictures have been removed, that's all. - NP Chilla 21:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the Ken Sugimori artwork was going to be soon revealed, the editors that make up the Pokémon Wikiproject decided that we should just let the images be deleted, until the Sugimori artwork filtered through. The reason they have been removed is before the images are deleted by admins, a bot, a semi-automatic user that runs on a network to do a certain task too boring for human editors, check all the images to make sure they have sources, fair use tags and fair use rationales. If it finds images like that, it pulls them out of articles, and puts them on a list to be deleted within a week if the info required isn't added, which is what we've just let happen. Thanks for asking, and if you have any other questions, they'll be better addressed at the project talk page. Cheers! Highway Grammar Enforcer! 21:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


MySpace

Do they have a Pokemon MySpace? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.249.145.229 (talk • contribs) .

...wow. Do you people honestly expect EVERYTHING to have a Myspace page? -Amarkov babble 23:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
They have a DS myspace. They have myspaces for almost everything.--Ac1983fan 16:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately due to the popularity of myspace it has become a dumping ground for companies promoting their products... *cough *cough RichMac 10:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
They don't seen to have an 'official' MySpace, but there are several MySpaces that seem related.71.228.141.153 14:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Magikarp has a MySpace. And no one is his friend on it. Toastypk 05:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Bug and Fossil

These types of pokemon are missing from this list. Could somebody please add them as I am working on fixing the links to the pokemon types on each pokemon page.

Thanks Bearingbreaker92 16:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Fossil isn't a type. -Amarkov blahedits 16:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
And what list are you talking about, anyway? -Amarkov blahedits 16:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I was referencing Pokémon types. I posted on the wrong talk page.

Bearingbreaker92 21:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Guns Mentioning

When it mentions guns near the bottom of the page, it says overuse of guns. Should that maybe be changed simply to use of guns, which seems more encylopedic? 216.250.14.136 01:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to just "the use of guns". --Brandon Dilbeck 04:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

slightly incorrect IPA

the article claims the pronuciation of pokémon is [ˈpoʊ.keɪ.mɑn]... i would agree with this, as this is the "correct" way to pronounce it in english. although by stating specifically that it is "frequently mispronounced [poʊ.kiˈmæn]," it implies that [ˈpoʊ.keɪ.mɑn] is the absolut correct pronunciation. however, if it is pronounced as it truly would be in Japanese it would actually be transcribed [ˈpo.ke.mon]; no diphthongs and the final /a/ should be /o/. i'm not sure if this should also be mentioned in the article but i just thought it might be important to clarify. --Samusamu 02:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Um... I would think that the pronunciation used in the English anime is the absolute correcr pronunciation in English. -Amarkov blahedits 22:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
But do note that in the Pokémon: Battle Frontier opening song, the singer (twice) pronounces the "é" incorrectly (like "ē").Ultraflame 00:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
You are right. I've changed it to more neutral wording, unless someone has a source saying what the official pronunciation is? -Amarkov blahedits 03:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be changed back. Just the fact that it was pronounced differently in a song doesn't make the spoken pronunciation variable - by their nature, sung vowels are much more variable than spoken vowels, just because they have to conform with melody and rhythm. As far as I've heard, whenever the word is spoken in the anime, it's somewhere between [ˈpo.ke.mon] and [ˈpoʊ.keɪ.mɑn] (usually closer to the latter). ~e.o.t.d~ 01:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Japanese

Is the Japanese in the lead paragraph needed? I mean, this is the Engish Wikipedia. Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 23:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Never Mind (someone else answered yes). Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 04:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Pokémon only for children?

On this page, pokémon is named as a kodomo (anime/manga for children). I think it's uncorrect, because pokémon is doubtless a shounen. --151.53.120.233 00:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

E-Reader Support Not In Japan?

In the third generation part, for FireRed and LeafGreen, it said that the game has E-Reader support OUTSIDE of Japan. I thought that the E-Reader support was exclusive to Japan, not excluded from Japan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.236.120.199 (talk) 06:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Lots of vandalism

It seems that most of the recent edits to this article have been reverted. Look! That looks like a lot of vandalism—can we have some kind of semi-protection? This article's becoming a nuisance in my Watchlist. --Brandon Dilbeck 14:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

This is what happens EVERY time the page is left unprotected. There has to be some way to seek permanent protection or something. --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 16:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
If there was a way, every page would have it... Kochdude388 01:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's only been a couple of days since semi-protection was lifted, and there's been a ton of vandalism already - the page has been partially or completely blanked at least 5 or 6 times, according to the history. If it keeps up, I'm definitely going to side with getting this page protected again, because this is just stupid. 蜻蛉の目e.o.t.d 19:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Ep. 142

I remember the 142nd episode of pokemon, it was about a group of people in a fantasy world with "creatures" called poket monsters (pokemon)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rydster34 (talk • contribs)

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    • Okay, please tell me who decided that a semi-automatic script to give suggestions as to how to fix an article was a good idea. It isn't. -Amark moo! 06:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Um, I don't know anything about this, but-- why not?? Most of the suggestions seem quite sensible, apart from the fact that we're all too lazy to follow up. --The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 16:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Because I don't like bots. :P at you. Anyway, to be serious, this is probably going to lead to "Let's get the bot to improve our article, and then expect it to get featured!", which I can't say I like. -Amark moo! 01:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Damn the FA, let's even try getting it to GA first!! This monstrosity's been our focus for the past 6 months at the very least and hasn't undergone much of a change, owing to the fact that we don't have a fanatic like HighwayCello to detect and fix every bit of crapp that appears in the article. So the job falls to us lesser mortals, and the bot's comments ought to be appreciated as one of the drops in the sea, not left out to dry nor assumed to be the Pacific. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice(Profile|PokéNav|Trainer Card) 14:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Did I hear someone say "appreciate"? Oooh... that's a good word. It's beautiful! I am Erik the Appreciator, I'll have you know. It's like whenever Team Rocket hears the word "trouble" they instantly get into character with their giant catchphrase. :D
Okay, back to Earth: Check out this general description of Pokemon that I wrote for the Super Smash Bros. wiki a couple days ago. Perhaps the "franchise description" section should be used as a base for a no-nonsense rewrite of the page (Smash bros. influence aside)? Assuming the page needs that sort of rewrite, of course. The most obvious thing wrong with the current page to me is the Starter Pokemon section (the list of, in particular), which doesn't seem necessary to cover in the general Pokemon article and would fit much better in the game articles themselves. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 21:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

lock it up

please lock this from being changed by guests, it will probably help the vandalism problem...

--Mike 19:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The article's already semi-protected, which prevents anonymous IP editors and newly registered users from editing it. Without that semi-protection, there would probably be even more vandalism. You can help by posting warnings on the talk pages of editors who vandalize this article. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Question

What level does it take for a pokemon to reach it's base stat on all stats? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.47.163 (talk • contribs) at 01:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? As far as I know, the base stats are unique for each Pokémon and independent from level. See this for a list of the base stats of all Pokémon in Ruby/Sapphire.
P.S.: please sign your comments using ~~~~. - Face 09:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Need Starter Pokémon List?

Do we really need the list of Starter Pokémon halfway through the article? I think it's too "listy" and should probably be rewritten into paragraph form, if not removed altogether. Speaking of which, is there any source for the term "Starter Pokémon" or did we just make it up? --Brandon Dilbeck 18:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Starter pokemon is a very common term used by press releases, anime, and other such things.--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 23:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I just wanted to double check. --Brandon Dilbeck 23:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Major vandalism going on

I mentioned this earlier in an older thread, but I'm saying it again here just to get everyone's attention: since the semi-protection went away a few days ago, vandalism has skyrocketed - and I don't think that's too much of an exaggeration, either. Historically, this article has always attracted a lot of vandals, but nearly all of them are anonymous, unestablished users that are blocked by semi-protection. Granted, semi-protection does turn away the helpful anons too (the history showed at least one helpful edit today), but in my opinion it's much better for the article to stop the vandalism than to just deal with it. We need this thing re-protected. Thoughts? 蜻蛉の目e.o.t.d 23:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Added Pokémon to WP:RFPP. --Brandon Dilbeck 00:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)