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Archive 2 (May 2006 - February 2007)
Archive 3 (February 2007 - December 2007)

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Pokémon/Archive 1 removed from Wikipedia:Good articles

Pokémon/Archive 1 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because the article fails to cite its references. --Allen3 talk 23:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Older comments

In the Controversy: Islam section, there is contradictory information in regards to Saudi Arabia's attitude about Pokemon. The first sentence says Pokemon was banned in Saudi Arabia, and the last sentence says that "it remains one of the most popular shows." Who can verify this?

"Evolution allegedly denies the most extreme and fundamentalist versions of creationism, therefore Pokémon denies some forms of Biblical interpretation." It's not alleged. It's a fact of definition. By the same argument, it is also not fair to call it extreme and fundamentalist, as I find it difficult to imagine a creationism that does not deny evolution. As such, I'm changing it to "Evolution precludes literal creationism, therefore Pokémon denies some forms of Biblical interpretation." Vonspringer 05:31, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I vote that we now make a new page to list all of the Pokemon related video games. The main Pokemon page is getting crowded and moving them to their own page would make the page look a lot better and a lot more orginized, I think. Eric42 04:33, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I vote we make a new section about the anime itself, the main page is much too big now.

User:JessPKC --216.209.191.91 01:17, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I second that motion. The only thing is, don't expect me to do it while there's still a lot of video game-specific stuff in the main article, I'd rather do that. - Bulbaboy 02:47, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Done. Pokémon (anime) Brian Kendig 03:57, 7 May 2004 (UTC)


I don't see why the Pokémon History was removed, I own that website and I put the paragraph onto here, clearly stating where the text was taken from, the source being my own site. Robbie

Simple. "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it.". You put a claim of ownership on the content, when the whole idea is to release any and all content added here so others can edit the heck out of it and make it better. You'd basically banned this, and thus it has NO place in the nature of Wikipedia, I'm afraid. Master Thief Garrett 06:12, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I didn't want to add more pokemon names, as they sometimes differ between JP and US. Could somebody with access to both version do it ?

Just a note for anyone who does--If there was ever a need for a subpage, that would be it!
-Alan D

Are accents in page titles working yet? Anyone know? Last I heard we could create them, but links to them would not follow through.
--KQ

Lets see. Pokémon. No, evidently not.

Funny. Ok, I'll be more direct. "O wikipedia powers that be, the non-English-language wikipediae have the power of umlauts, cedillas, accents, etc. in article titles; when o great ones will this power be bestowed upon us as well? We beg of thee, o merciful ones, smile upon us, your humble servants."

:-) --KQ

I've made some edits to Pokemon/Satanism parallels: here are justifications.

During the Pokemon fad: This is vague and woolly, and I think we are still in 'the Pokemon age'. Replaced with After the US release of Pokemon Yellow, which I guess is the era of 'the Pokemon fad'...

The cosmology of the game world incorporates Asian elemental principles.: replaced with The game world also incorporates Asian traditions about elemental forces. as it's not cosmology.
User:Dragon Dave

Anyone know why the paragraph about the seizures was deleted? I've restored that paragraph from a prior version, and I don't see anything significantly wrong about the info it contained.

I think the last half of the page is way overboard. As far as I know, the lunatics who attacked Pokemon in this way were a few isolated lunatics. Most of this stuff doesn't deserve mention, including the idiotic Pokemon/Satanism parallels.

Why is the list of Pokemon duplicated here and at List of Pokémon?
Dysprosia 09:49, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I thought that I'd let y'all know that, since the disambiguation page Ash linked to Ash Ketcham (which had been blank), that I redirected the latter here. (Also Ash (Pokémon) and Ash (Pokemon), which previously appeared on that page.) You may want to arrange things differently.
-- Toby Bartels 22:21, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I did the Ash Ketchum page.
Fern


All images were reversed due to the Japanese tendency to read right-to-left.
Who says? I think this is nonsense. The swastika used in Japan (for example it marks temples on all maps) is not the reverse of anything but an ancient symbol. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what is written, but if so the text needs to be clarified.
--Zero 15:13, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Clarification for you: Japanese traditionally is written vertically (from top to bottom) and then each "line" of text is put to the left of the last one. Unlike in languages using the Latin alphabet (English, Spanish, Italian, French, etc...) where we write text horizontally (from left to right) and then each line comes below the last.
---Fern

The American fans who are denied the right to see these episodes (they are not classed as too mature for British viewers) bemoan this.

I know we're to avoid using words like "some" or "many", but this statement implies that all American fans who are denied the right, bemoan this. This would hardly be true.

I'm changing it to read: This has prompted complaints from among those American fans who are denied the right to see these episodes, especially since the episodes in question are not classed as too mature on British television.
Rholton 15:30, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)


I've edited the main page and many of the game pages to reflect better information.  :) Trying to make it all better...
Eric42

What do the TR members Butch and Cassidy have to do with Butch Cassidy?
Ilyanep 02:43, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Because Butch's name plus Cassidy's name equal "Butch Cassidy". Pretty simple, really.
- Bulbaboy 04:05, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The Pokemon anime characters Butch and Cassidy have nothing in common with Butch Cassidy, just like Jesse and James have nothing in common with Jesse James. Just their names together make up the name of famous theives or outlaws back in the old west. (Butch, Cassidy, Jessie, and James all are theiving outlaws in the anime! Amazing...)
Eric42 03:30, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

A while ago someone said "All images were reversed due to the Japanese tendency to read right-to-left." Any idea what happened to these images?

Never mind. There never was images on the page (before I came). It was the images on the trading cards that they were talking about there.
---Fern

The page size has broken 32k, and I'm not entirely sure which part I should move to another page. Maybe someone else could figure it out?
- Bulbaboy 06:14, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Maybe the Pokémon list. Try combining it with the other one. But on the other hand, who wants to go through 386 names checking the differances with the other list?
I'm just saying because that's how I've done in the Spanish version.
The Team Rocket info (like Jesse & James comes from Jessie James) could be put on the Team Rocket page instead if its still here, also. (see references above)
---Fern

What about the mispronounciation of the name? To this day I'm sure many people say "Pokeymon" or even "Pokeyman". (And what in the universe suggests the long e sound, anyway??)
--Furrykef 03:14, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Ugh, don't remind me, that irritated me to no end. ESPECIALLY the "man"! I mean, there is NO "A", and the only thing even remotely similar is the "é"! (and why are you worrying about a long "E" when there's that anomolous "A"?)
- Bulbaboy 03:37, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The é sound comes from the word Pocket (remember Pokémon comes from Pocket Monster), but they had to put a ´ on it so it would be pronunced, otherwise, it would be Poke-mon (the ´ info is from here)
---Fern

How is it pronounced then?

Well, I've tested the S.S. Anne Mew cheat in my Blue version, and it didn't work. If you want to know what I did, here it is: I played through the game (WITHOUT getting the Cut HM) until I got Surf and Strength. At that point, I taught Strength to a Rhyhorn I got out of the Safari Zone. Then, I surfed to the proper location, and tried pushing it, and pushing it after using Strength (I forget if I tried pressing A next to it, I'll check later). No response.

It should be noted that the enviromental factors that may have affected it are the fact that I was playing on Pokémon Stadium 2, and had encountered Missingno in a previous play (when I *didn't* know that it saves the fact that you saw it). It should also be noted that the Mew Glitch detailed in the Mew Glitch FAQ on the GameFAQs Pokémon Blue page DID work. Therefore, I'm removing the S.S. Anne trick from the list of ways to get Mew (and I'll also remove the mention from Mew (Pokémon)).
- Bulbaboy 04:27, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I figure I may as well give my motivation for changing the introductory text to the Gameboy/Gameboy Color/Gameboy Advance games sections. First off, I can understand referring to the Gameboy era as "the Chromatics" in a header, especially because of Pokemon Stadium 2, but I've got a small bit of doubt about the Gameboy Color era being referred to as "the Metallics", since Crystal isn't named after a metal - although I can still live with it. But, since I'm not aware of the GBA era being referred to widely or officialy as "the Advanced Generation", I decided to just remove that part from all of them.

Also, I feel that it should be noted that Red is Ash, and Blue is Gary. And, unless someone shows me where the American games refer to a character as "Green", I don't think it's appropriate to automatically translate Japan's character known as "Blue" into the name "Green" for America.
Bulbaboy 04:02, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

In the original Japanese manga, Ash is Red, Gary is Green. --A WikiGuest.

Hi, im a German Wikipedia-User. The english article is impressively good, but I noticed, that the "Pokemon Mini Handheld System" is not mentioned. It was released in Germany 2002, in Japan even earlier. What about the USA and the UK? I can't believe that it wasn't released there! --217.232.12.49 05:22, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Welcome to the English Wikipedia, then! Mind if I ask what your German username is? Anyway, I've never heard of a "Pokémon Mini Handheld System", could you desribe it? My guess is, it's called something else in English. Could it be a Pokémon Pikachu you're talking about? Well, talk to you later. - Bulbaboy 02:47, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi, it's me again. At www.wikipedia.de, my Username is Luigi. I created a short article there about the de:Pokémon Mini. There you will find a link to the official German page and the Asian one. The Pokémon Pikachu and the Pokémon Pikachu Color were also released here, but the Pokémon Mini is a very small Handheld System with a cartridge slot for the different game cartridges sold separately. The Pokémon Mini has a display (black and white), a rumble feature, a clock included, and a shock sensor. Visit the German Wikipedia and look it up there. You will find a list of released games there and the two weblinks, unfortunately not in English...

--217.232.0.60 05:27, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'll be, I'd never heard of that before now! Must be because I don't live in New York, because that was apparently the only place where it was in stores (or, rather, the Pokémon Center there). For those who don't speak German (myself included), there's some info here. I suppose someone may as well get to work on an English article, then... - Bulbaboy 05:52, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

It should also be added to the Nintendo article.

--Luigi 05:19, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Many Pokémon Mini mini-games were added to Pokémon Channel, the GameCube game released last year. Just a small coment J.
--Fern 00:43, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

Two questions... First, do we want to standardize how each Pokémon's Japanese name is represented in the articles (since the Pokédex is standardized to Romanji, but articles differ in how they display that bit of info)? Second, how do we want to do it (if we do)? A few are set up like "Fushigidane in Romanji Japanese", some like "Poppo in Japanese", others like "Japanese:ピカチュウ or Pikachuu", and some are totaly devoid of the Japanese name within the article. Just a something I thought of while reading through the various Pokémon here =)

Note -- I don't have a Wikipedia account (though I do love to help out and edit articles I come across), so please understand if this question is in the completely wrong spot. Just attribute it to a Wiki-n00b that's interested in Pokémon and wants to help =)

Don't top-post in talk pages, as it ruins the chronological order of threading. Also sign your name whenever you post to a talk page, so people will know who you are. As for the representation of Japanese names, I believe Wikipedia naming conventions have the last of them as correct (actually, if you have a romanized transliteration, you should italicize the transliteration, name the method of transliteration, and link that to its article in Wikipedia - eg. "Pikachu (Japanese: ピカチュウ, Hepburn Pikachu, Kunrei-shiki Pikachuu) ..."). kelvSYC 07:17, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have discovered a page called Three Regis. I'd like to know if anyone else thinks said article can never be anything more than a stub. The separate articles on the Three Regis themselves can mention that they're collectively called the Three Regis, and they'll be in the category for Legendary Pokémon anyway. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 20:27, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

You may not be checking this anymore, but (even though I haven't had a chance to view the page, so go easy on me) I think this page could be helpful to those looking for them or wanting to know more about them. Sure, it may never be more than a stub, but it'll be a helpful stub. Plus, could someone tell me how to catch the Three Regis? Or would Wikipedia consider that cheating???? Thanks. --Aelita the Angel 16:45 pm, Dec 2, 2005

Third person

Please, let's use third person. It is more professional. WhisperToMe 01:53, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Controversy

What's this?

"Many Protestant Christian groups in the United States believe Pokémon to be Satanic in origin. After the US release of Pokémon Yellow, there was a sudden widespread criticism of it passed through Christian congregations primarily by word-of-mouth. Most people believe these claims to be nonsense, and note that they are spread as urban legends. While this criticism has been a widespread phenomenon in the United States, little about it has been committed to print. It would be incorrect to state that the Christian religious community has an official opinion on this, but its widespread nature makes it a legitimate topic of study.

Pokémon has been criticised by some members of the Jewish community for its use of the swastika, the most widely known symbol of Nazism. Nintendo says that this is a matter of cultural misunderstanding, as the swastika used to be used in East Asian cultures as a symbol for "good fortune" by the Buddhist religion. If a Japanese map of any major city is examined, little clockwise swastikas, or "manji", where Buddhist temples are located, can be seen. Many Jewish groups hold that it is inappropriate to use this symbol on children's toys.

The manji was shown only on a Japanese version card and was excluded from the North American release with due consideration of the cross-cultural issue. However, these Jewish members attacked the Japanese version distributed in the U.S. by unauthorized import. As a result of this controversy Nintendo stopped using this symbol even in the Japanese version. [1] (http://www.adl.org/presrele/Mise_00/3511_00.asp) This raised a public backlash in Japan.

Many Islamic religious speakers in the Arab-Muslim nations of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt hold that Pokémon is part of a "Jewish conspiracy" to corrupt Muslim children. They claim that the word "Pokeman" is a Japanese word which means "I am Jewish" (this claim is patently false). One Saudi Arabian Sheikh (Sheikh Abdel Moneim Abu Zant) has written "The Pokémon craze is a Jewish plot aimed at forcing our children to forgo their faith and values and to distract them from more important things such as scientific ambitions." The Anti-Defamation League has spoken out against these conspiracy theorists. [2] (http://www.adl.org/presrele/IslME_62/3791_62.asp)

Parallels have frequently been drawn between Satanism and Pokémon. This is covered at Satanism and Pokémon"

This is poor writing, on many levels. So many weasel words and unattributed sources! How can I take this seriously?! Then again, this is an article about Pokemon. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:46, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Christians are freaky.Rolinator 11:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need to have articles on species in the "Pokémon taxoboxes"?

I mean, like Lugia is a Diving Pokémon, Pikachu and Sandshrew are Mouse Pokémon, and Charmeleon and Charizard are Flame Pokémon. I personally don't think we really need articles on those – they don't really group Pokémon together the way their types do. I mean, really – most Pokémon species are unique to the Pokémon or to the Pokémon's evolutionary chain. I say the species entries in the "taxoboxes" be deWikified, and the current articles about them be deleted. What do the rest of you think? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:22, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

I must say you are right...In the German Wikipedia, these ones would have been deleted immediately. :-D --Luigi 06:40, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I cross-posted the above (up to the section title, yes) to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokédex for the guys who're taking care of the "Pokémon taxoboxes," and the Pokémon species (species species, like Pikachu) articles in general, to to consider. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 10:52, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Hmm...

An anon just changed thing to read that the anime was based on the manga. I always thought it was the other way around, and that was the way the article read originally, so I reverted it... but, does anyone know for sure? I'm more of a fan of the Pokémon games than any of the various offshoots, so I really don't know. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 02:46, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

None of the anime series were based on the various Pokémon Mangas (Ono's Pikachu Series, Special, Golden Boys, Magical Pokémon Journey, the CoroCoro Pokémon manga, etc). At least one manga (Ono's Pikachu Series) drew substantial inspiration from advance anime scripts (Its publication predated the airing, even the recording and animation, of episodes it was based on, but it was actually based on the scripts of those yet unmade episodes, not the other way around), but most are independant from the anime, both in plot, and with their timelines. --Archaic, Bulbagarden.net Webmaster, a.k.a. Mukashi 20:33, 2005 Feb 25 (UTC)

Few questions.

Well, I just went on a major minior and minor-ish cleanup effort through the article. I got confused about some things, noted some data deficiancies in other places, and figured I'd ask for clarification/help here.

  • When were Yellow, Gold/Silver, and Crystal released in Europe?
  • "The plot of Gold, Silver, and Crystal takes place three years after the first series. Again, the characters' only official names are colors of the versions, but now there are no pre-set names for the rival." What's the male chracter's name, Gold or Silver? Or is he called Gold in Gold and Silver and Silver?
  • Under the "Other Pokémon games" header: "Some are not even video games." What ones?
    • Also, I wonder if Pokémon Colosseum counts as an offshoot or not. It does have a rather different storyline from the Gambe Boy/Advance RPGs, but, unlike the other offshoots, it has trading compatibility with the others, unless of course Pokémon Stadium 2's Pokémon gifts count as trading compatibility.
  • Under the anime header: "The English version of the series uses Pokémon under various subtitles." ...er, what? This sentence just confuses me; I can't tell what this is reffering to. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 06:43, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
  • Umm...subtitle for example "Pokemon Advanced" etc. --Zxcvbnm 18:24, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It is largely assumed that the player character was named Gold and the rival Silver for Gold and Crystal. By convention, it is also assumed that the names are reversed in Silver (although, again, no default name was given for the rival). If the trainer was female, the default name was assumed to be Crystal.

There are some games with a Pokémon motif that are not video games (Monopoly, UNO, etc). There was even various virtual pet toys featuring Pikachu if you don't consider it a video game. kelvSYC 06:16, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article needs some trimming.

Wow, this article is getting big. ...has been big for some time. Thirty-nine kilobytes? I say we need to trim this pup a bit. Here's my suggestions.

  • Move the section about Mr. Satoshi Tajiri over to Satoshi Tajiri. I think there's more info here than there is in his biographical article.
  • Maybe make an article dedicated to the games in the same vein as Pokémon (anime). Pokémon (video games), perhaps, and have a paragraph or two about the games here, i.e. saying they main games in the series are mostly for various Game Boy systems, there's a lot of offshoots, and so on.

That's... about it. I think that'd cut down the article to more manageable levels. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 00:21, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

Why was the mentioning of Pokémon thriving in all age groups in Japan removed? A.K.R. 06:46, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, I removed it again, because it was pretty poorly written, placed in miscellaneous (instead of incorporated into somewhere relevant), and largely moot. It reads less like encyclopedic info and more like something from an overly-defensive fanboy. A Man In Black 05:06, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Religion & Pokemon

The section connecting religion and Pokemon needs copyediting and perhaps NPOV changes. Dpr 10:41, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay. Why don't you do the honors and try fixing some of it? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 16:15, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
Lol they already mentioned that but didnt fix it (see top)--Zxcvbnm 17:25, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)


External Linking & Fansites

What's the opinion of everyone on the linking of major fansites in the external links section? Obviously, as webmaster of Bulbagarden.net, I'm highly biased in this matter. All the more so for us running "Bulbapedia", a Pokémon wiki. So, just what does everyone else think on the subject? Obviously, linking to every fansite would be impractical, not to mention just plain dumb. Also, there'd probably be issues with seperating official sites from the fansites for various reasons. However, in limited specific cases (Such as with the link to Pokedream already on the page with the interview), it'd be justified to add them, wouldn't it? Assuming it is justified....exactly how could we determine which fansites deserved to be linked to? --Archaic, Bulbagarden.net Webmaster, a.k.a. Mukashi 19:59, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We need to have a short list of sites that are considered to be cream of the crop. This shortlist would include, IMO

  • b:Pokémon - it's our own Wikibook (and I'm not saying that because I'm its, to this date, sole contributor...). Nuff said.
  • Poképedia - the complete TCG resource for card info
  • Pokémon Forever - fairly in-depth game info
  • Azure Heights - same here.
  • Serebii - everyone seems to use it as a source for some odd reason
  • pokeani.com (or is it .net?) - complete Japanese anime info (now if only someone could give an English voice cast that accurate...)

kelvSYC 04:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A fine start to the shortlist. Might I also suggest

  • Bulbapedia - A biased selection from me to be sure, but regardless, it is the only Wiki resource for Pokémon outside of Wikipedia itself, with over 1300 articles since opening for public editing on Valentines this year.
  • Bulbagarden, UPNetwork & Pokémasters - Together with the long since defunct "Pokémon Abode", they were the original "Big 4" Pokémon forums which had such a big impact on the online fandom between 1999-2001
  • Pokémon Forever - You've already mentioned this, but I'll give some more detail. The website of Meowth346, one of the most knowledgeable people on the Pokémon Games outside of the actual game staff, and known to be used on a frequent basis by many in the Japanese fandom (Links on PokeAni's forums, etc). Has been in existance since at least 1999, if not earlier.
  • Dogasu's Backpack - Website of Dogasu, one of the most knowledgeable people on the Pokémon anime in the english-speaking fandom. Like Meowth346's site, has been in existance since 1999.
  • TRHQ - The birthplace of Shipping in the Pokémon fandom (Now only exists as a forum)
  • PokéGym - Was the official Pokémon TCG forums while Wizards had the license, having had a long history in the TCG fandom before Wizards took it on board. Now exists as a seperate and independant site, but still is frequented by a large proportion of elite TCG battlers
  • Smogon - In many ways, almost the unofficial forums for Netbattle and RS Bot, and boasts activity by a large proportion of the best battlers online

--Mukashi 07:47, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)

So...doesn't anyone else have any suggestions, both for sites that maybe should qualify, or for any guidelines that sites should fill to be considered canditates? --Mukashi 11:10, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a link repository. ✏ OvenFresh² 20:06, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
More specifically, it says there "Wikipedia is not....Mere collections of external links. Of course, there's nothing wrong with adding both lists of content-relevant links and on-line references you used in writing an article.", does it not? I don't believe any of us here are suggesting that we should aim to have some huge resource of external links without any purpose. However, there are content-relevant links we could add to sites that have had significant influence on the Pokémon fandom I feel. That's the entire reason for creating a shortlist. Find the ones which may be relevant, then eliminate them until you've got a core group of sites which would most benifit people reading the article.--Mukashi 12:27, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)
The sites which you've stated do not seem to have been used as references, and even if they have, we have no way to know that. Yes, they may be relevant in a certain sence, but so are, oh, say, a million other Pokemon fansites. If a website should be linked, it should merit the readers mind (in ways the article has already not). BulbaGarden.net, for example, is just a forum and a few other things, so I doubt it should be linked (this article is about Pokémon, not about the Pokémon fandom). Azure heights is interesting, perhaps, but not just news/forum websites.
I'd be against Serebii, BulbaGarden, Bulbapedia, Dogasu's Backpack, TRHQ, PokéGym, Smogon, etc., etc. ✏ OvenFresh² 19:16, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Granted that there are a million other fansites, but I was not listing them just because they were fansites. Rather, they were sites that have had a major impact in the history of the online Pokémon fandom. But you've made the point that this article is about Pokémon, not about the Pokémon fandom, so fair enough. I'm surprised there isn't a seperate article for the Pokémon fandom, given its rich and long history though.
But anyway, could you define for me what you'd consider to be content relevant then? Saying that Azure heights would qualify when Bulbapedia would not seems rather odd, given that they are both archives of information, and that the former is only games (And would thus perhaps belong as a link on the Pokémon (video games) page), while the latter is an archive for all aspects of the fandom. I could see Dogasu's backpack as a relevant site for Pokémon (anime) as well under the vague guidelines you've just stated, given his essays on the anime, and comparisons between the original and dubbed versions. --Mukashi 20:53, 2005 Apr 13 (UTC)

THE reason the pkmn article does not feature external websites is because it ALWAYS ends up becoming a major fight between webmasters on which sites should be featured, and which should not. It is much easier to only feature official websites to save everyone the trouble.

I say we should continue this in order to maintain the dignity of the article. --69.156.1.111 08:47, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Given that there's only one major site who could possibily be considered a "rogue site" (Whose inclusion I'd be pressing for anyway, given that it is the #1 English fansite, regardless of how immature the webmaster is), and that the rest of us webmasters get along with each other well to the point of having something of an unspoken pecking order, I wouldn't expect there to be any such major fights here.
Not to mention the fact that, and let's be honest here, the official sites for Pokémon are simply pathetic. --Mukashi 15:24, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

I second that motion and say that,although I was once caught up in it, I nolonger need such under educated game formats such as this one. Bottomfeeder22 00:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

I noticed earlier today that Bulbapedia was recieving links from this article. While I do appreciate that fact, I do know that the discussion here never reached a conclusion, and that it would be wrong for me to allow that link to remain, especially as it seemed to already have been used as a justification by Psypoke to add their own link here. Both links have been removed.

Archaic, Bulbagarden Webmaster & Bulbapedia Editor, a.k.a. --Mukashi 13:09, 2005 May 22 (UTC)

Pronounciation

I have a concern about the notes on pronunciation in the opening paragraph. Pokémon, being a japanese word, I would think it would have a short 'e' sound. Not the 'ay' or 'ee' sound that the article mentions. These may be the popular english pronunciations. I just question whether they are the correct pronunciation. --Randolph 04:34, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It would probably be the "correct" english pronunciation, however, you're correct that the sound is a short 'e' in the Japanese (The characters read po-ke-mo-n). --Mukashi 00:58, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)

However, it's unscientific in any way. Using the International Phonetic Alphabet, we'd have different standard pronunciations for "Pokémon" in Japanese and English. In English, the first "o" tends to be dipthongized to [oU] or [ow] (from the Japanese [O], the open-mid back rounded vowel - think the "au" in haul), while the e is either dipthongized to [eI] or [ej] (think the "ei" in eight), made into an [i] (think the "e" in fee), or reduced to a schwa (in Japanese, it is an [E],the open-mid front unrounded vowel - think the "e" in pet). The syllable stress is also different (on "po" in Japanese, on "ke" in English, due to both the speech patterns of the respective languages and the fact that "Pokémon" is thought to be a portmanteau in Japanese while a made-up word in English).

In short, we have (using X-SAMPA transliteration) [pOkEmOn] in Japanese while we have [poUkeImOn], [powkejmOn], [powk@mOn]/[poUk@mOn] or even [poUkimon]/[powkimon] (less acceptable). It's not a matter of short or long vowels - it's just that in English we use dipthongs a lot. kelvSYC 01:50, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid that unlike in any other language, in English it is not possible to correctly represent the short "e" at the end of a syllable with no succeeding consonant. If this is attempted the native English speakers will automatically malform it into "ay". So therefore we're stuck with IPA as a proper pronunciation guide. JIP | Talk 14:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Game section.

I've removed the following info from the article.

"Then Yellow was added. In Yellow, you would constantly be followed by a Pikachu, which would be your only choice as starting pokemon, and the gameplay would differ at some places. After that, Gold/Silver (sharing the same almost-likeness as Red and Blue) came, introducing 100 new pokemon and a new land, with the extention Crystal, which was quite identic but had a difference in the gameplay and plot. Ruby/Sapphire were next, having only a selction of pokemon, not including all from the older games, and of course, Emarald, and an extention yet againg, is yet to come / has come (delete one of them). The newest games, FireRed/LeafGreen, are both "upgrades" of Red/Blue. And there will surely come an extention there too.

On the greater game machines, there has also been a number of games, like Pokemon Stadiumfor Nintendo 64 and Pokemon Stadium 2 for ditto (By the way, Ditto is a pokemon!) For GameCube, there has come Pokemon Coloseum and Pokemon Channel, and for the new Nintendo DS, there is Pokemon Racing."

I belive all this is already covered, and covered better, at the Pokémon (video games) article. I left the info on the first games since, well, they were the first games, and the other Pokémon RPGs were patterned after them. The spinoffs also have a quick mention here and are again covered in greater detail in the main games article. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 20:38, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that got snipped just before I made my edit, and since I don't want my cleanup effort to go entirely to waste, I'll just post it here, too. Phoenix-forgotten 20:46, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)
Later, Pokémon Yellow was released. In Yellow, a Pikachu is the only choice for the player's first Pokémon, which follows around behind the player when in your party, but otherwise behaves like all other Pokémon. The gameplay also differ in some places (such as different enemy Pokémon trainers).
Pokémon Gold and Silver were released (similar to the Red/Blue games in that they are nearly identical to each other), introducing 100 new Pokémon and a new region. This pair of games also had their own 'third' game, Pokémon Crystal, which was quite identical but had a difference in the gameplay and plot.
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire were next, having only a selection of pokemon, not including all from the older games, and of course, Pokémon Emerald, and an extention yet againg, is yet to come / has come (delete one of them).
The latest games, Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, are both remakes of Pokémon Red and Blue.
There have also been a number of Pokémon games on other video game consoles: Pokemon Stadium and Pokemon Stadium 2 (Nintendo 64), Pokémon Colosseum and Pokémon Channel (Nintendo GameCube), and Pokémon Racing (Nintendo DS), as well as other spin-offs. These include pinball, virtual pets, and simulated photography.

Anti-Pokemon sites

Just wondering if anyone else knows anything about the various anti-pokemon sites that sprang up after the Pokemon Anime was released in America and Britain? I'll probably write a short introductor paragraph as it's interesting but I'm wondering if anyone else knows anything about this

  • There actually used to be a separate article about this, which has been merged into the 'Controversy' section. Feel free to add something more informative if that's possible, particularly about the general shape of the phenomenon and exactly how common it may be, which is very hard to determine.--Pharos 05:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I know about the article now but I know of one of the anti pokemon sites, Pokemonsux.com, If you dont want to read cuss, DONT READ THE GUESTBOOK!!!~darkmewham P.S.Why must people make a big deal out of a game/cartoon/anime?
pokemonsux.com was my first glimpse into Anti-Pokémon. If you want to read about Anti and Anti-Anti Pokémon, I suggest going to dragonflycave.com's Anti-Anti section. -- PinkDeoxys 21:38, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Because they have no self-esteem, way to much free time, and just don't understand that Pokemon in itself is a very fun, interesting show/game. Plus, if they don't like it, they ARE free to express said dislike but sometimes they stretch that right too far (at least in America....) --Aelita the Angel 04:48 PM, 2 Dec, 2005

Fandom

I've been wondering recently if there might be sufficient cause to create an article on the Pokémon Fandom community itself. If the Harry Potter fandom deserves one, I hardly see how ours doesn't, expecially with our rich and vibrant history. The AGNPH incident, Shipping (X-Files fans may have created the term, but we made it popular), the fall of the Big 4, changing attitudes towards ROMs and raws/fansubs, and so on. --Mukashi 04:44, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

HP fandom barely deserves its own article, and the linked Harry Potter fandom could be search-replaced to fit any fandom. Pokemon fandom has some inane drama, the same old dumb OTP debates, and the same old dumb piracy debates. I'd VfD Pokemon fandom unless it established notability. A Man In Black 05:02, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
While I'd say this article isn't exactly bulging at the seams like some are, I agree with your Ctrl+H judgement of the HP page... actually I thought that when I saw it a few minutes ago, *before* I saw this post. But I digress... the problem is that any fandom article will inherently be either waffle (as the HP one is) or fancruft (i.e., "cool merchandise" list), rather than being useful to non-"in" people.
About the *only* fan thing I'd say was really worthy of mention at all would be the fan translation of Green, I remember following it (more out of interest in seeing the fanboys drool rather than a desire to play it myself)... and it reached almost fever pitch when it got to ~83% completion... but that's more a matter for the Games page than for this one, isn't it? Master Thief Garrett 05:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
The Nintendo shutdown of the original alt.games.nintendo.pokemon.hentai archive wouldn't strike either of you as an incident that might be worthy of mention then? I would agree though, an article on the fandom would certainly need more than just this and the fan translation of green to make it viable. When I made this suggestion, I had been thinking of simply bringing up some of the historical events in the fandom that set it apart from others, or events which have shaped how the fandom has grown (such as the fall of the Big 4 that I mentioned earlier). Perhaps I confused my intended message by mentioning the waffle chocked HP fandom one. --Mukashi 15:18, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
While the mind reels at the concept of Pokemon hentai(!), that would probably be worthy of mention since they officially shut it down themselves (as opposed to a fan project going on unnoticed). I never actually heard of that, but then again I've never used USENET outside of LUGNET. So that's probably worthy of mention somewhere, maybe as a blurb under Controversy since it's hentai? Master Thief Garrett 16:24, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps. I have to admit, I don't know enough about the whole situation to make more than a paragraph or two on it. This event goes all the way back to 1999, IIRC. Scarily enough, the archive is back up now, with enough in the way of disclaimers that they seem to have prevented Nintendo from shutting them down yet again. If it was just between anime characters, it wouldn't be quite so bad, but for the most part, it's apparently Human/Pokémon and Pokémon/Pokémon. --Mukashi 09:54, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
I dunno. Fan translations of games not brought to the US and alt.*.hentai fanart newsgroups being closed is still pretty much standard fandom drama. If that's the best an article like that could offer, even if it offered more along those lines, I'm not sure about the notability. A Man In Black 05:25, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Well why not scrap the fan page idea and just mention the hentai under Controversy? The Green translation can be put on the Green page itself, it's looking quite bare and unloved anyway. Master Thief Garrett 07:11, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'm not aware of the exact details of the incident, so I'll see what info I can find about it elsewhere before putting anything up. --Mukashi 04:10, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
Does the mind reel at the concept? If it does, then the mind needs to realise the thing that someone wise once said (Okay, it was me a couple of seconds ago), "When a new fanbase is created, hentai is not far behind."207.172.133.186 20:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Jynx/Blackface Controversy

Please note that the Jynx controversy is mentioned in the Jynx article, and does not need to be duplicated here. A Man In Black 19:07, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Re above:

No one ever cares the Jynx page. Besides, I'm sick of the constant "North America" stuff on that page. You think that Pokemon only airs on N America? =o=||| In that case, I suggest to delete that stuff on the Jynx page, and remain the one on Pokemon.

  • Hello there; I'm glad you got a username, since it makes correspondence so much easier. (I suggest you sign and datestamp your Talk posts with ~~~~.) In any case, I don't think Pokemon only airs in North America; I simply wasn't aware that the blackface controversy was an issue outside of North America. Singapore, for example, doesn't have any sort of racially-charged history with blackface or minstrels or what have you.
    As for splitting this controversy off, why not move it to the relevant page with a see also link, instead of increasing the length of an already-long article? (I've partially reverted Jynx again, for the record; your list is simply a list of countries where Pokemon is localized into English, and your link is fairly non-notable.) A Man In Black 08:37, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Hello there; I've been wanting to catch you for a long time.
    "The Ice Cave" is banned in UK, USA, Canada AND Australia. The cut is the same. North America? NO! Unless you tell me you don't study geography or doesn't have a world map at home.
    My link is a FAN SITE. Other Pokemon have these, I don't see why mine can't.
    And I don't see why I have to stamp my posts with my name.
  • Your link is broken at the moment. I've commented it out for the time being. Once it's correct or working again, why should your fansite be linked in the article, other than the fact that you're understandably proud of it? Does it have some important information, or some significance in the Pokemon fan community that I'm not aware of?
    The link aside, your objection is that the wording currently implies that the edits are limited to North America? Easily fixed; I'll do that right now.
    As for stamping your posts with your name, it's not required, but is a nice courtesy, to make it clearer who is speaking. I know who you are, but other people who may want to join this conversation may not. The datestamp also makes it easier track the progress of a conversation. A Man In Black 08:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Oh! While I'm thinking about it, if you want to get a hold of me (or anyone else, for that matter), just drop a note on my personal talk page, at User_talk:A_Man_In_Black. Obviously, if you want to get a hold of someone who isn't me, you'd have to replace my name with theirs. A Man In Black 08:59, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm not like being proud or something. If I do, I'd stamp my name there.

It is there just to let other Jynx fans to know that someone does care about this Pokemon. Although, the number is scarce, but they do exist! ...You know me!? ...As in my real name? Have you like met me before? o_O||| If so...please tell me who you are...quite scary it is. And who on earth deleted the link on "Pokemon"? =o=||| Oh and, if I sort of copy the Kadabra and Uri Gellar passage to Kadabra, is it ok? So "Pokemon" doesn't get overcrowded with stuff.

  • I don't know you personally, but I know you're User:Jynx, is all. It'd really be helpful if you could sign your comments on talk pages with ~~~~, but it's your call.
    As for the Uri Gellar thing, that's a good idea. I'll do that right now. A Man In Black 22:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Re Overcrowding

PS: You know the Pokeballs and stuff like that. I suggest a separate page for that. Or perhaps, a separate page for "Pokemon Items" and "Game Mechanics". Also, the "List of POkemon" is just wierd. Why don't we put "Pokedex", then sort them out in Numbers and Alphabetical orders.

A list of items is a good idea, but not one of mechanics, that'd grow too Wikibooks-ish.
Calling it Pokedex is a bad idea, because people will expect it to be dynamic and interactive with sorting functions and clicky buttons and other cool crap like the fansites' ones have. This will just be plain text. And the "List of xxx" is the standard for stuff here. See Wikipedia:Pokeprosal for more. Master Thief Garrett 10:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Pokemon stage error

One note: Baby Pokemon are NOT basics, they are called "pre-evolve".

eg: 1. Elekid (Pre-evo) --> Electabuzz (Basic).

Errors: Electabuzz line, Jynx line, Magmar line, Pikachu line, Jigglypuff line, Clefairy line, Wobbuffet line, Marill line, etc (Jynx did not sign off)

Um, I can't actually seem to find this section you're referring to... are you perhaps on the wrong talk page or something? Oh and as an aside and you can sign off your comments with four tildes (~~~~). This is quite helpful as it lets people see who says what.Master Thief Garrett 17:04, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm talking about the Pokedex in wikipedia. (Jynx did not sign off)
Oh, the collective pages in *general*, ahh I see now... Master Thief Garrett 17:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Why wouldn't they be called basics? Are newer evolutionary stages like Blissey or Crobat called something besides Stage 1 or 2? See, the way I always thought of it, Basic Pokémon are the ones that hatch out of eggs or otherwise don't evolve from anything. Thus, while Pikachu is Basic in R/B/Y, it's Stage 1 in all following games due to Pichu. Am I just interpreting things wrong? I'm not much of a fan of the card game, where I think those terms originated; is it different there? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 19:17, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
I believe the TCG rules recently changed to make Baby Pokémon to be considered Basics with special evolution rules, didn't they? Not a TCG player myself anymore, so I'm a little unsure on the details.
In any case, you reasoning seems logical to me. While it has become habit in the video game and anime areas of the fandom to refer to new Baby Pokémon as Pre-evo's, as far as the 'Dex is concerned, it should simply be the new basic evolution level for that evolution chain, shouldn't it? --Mukashi 15:24, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
  • Because they are not. THey are just not. Baby Pokemon are called pre-evolution. Pikachu remains Basic, so do the others with babies.

If you get a larger scan of Pokemon cards, you can see that Pikachu is a BASIC, Pichu is a pre-evo. jynx

While this is true in TCG, it is not in the video games. Maybe a comment should be made about that Sonic Mew 21:14, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
  • the definition of baby Pokemon are those that have evolves but cannot lay eggs. jynx
    • More accurately, they cannot breed (and thus in turn no eggs), despite having gender definition even in their baby form. I also seem to recall that baby Pokemon are vulnerable to Charm and other gender-based attacked just like grown Pokemon... But yes there is a difference between a baby and a first-stage. Master Thief Garrett 12:56, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Well baby humans have genders too! The babies can't breed, but neither can legendary pokémon. In the video games, Pichu is Basic, Pikachu is Stage 1, and Raichu is Stage 2. Just as Mareep is basic, Flaaffy is Stage 1, and Ampharos is Stage 2. In Gold and Silver, talk to the girl in one of the huses in New Bark Town. She will confirm this.
So TCG, maybe. But it is currently correct for the video games. Sonic Mew 14:10, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we could use a "template" sort of note? Something signaled with superscripted numbers? Pichu, say, might have something like...

Stage: Basic¹ or Pre-evo²

...

¹ Video games

² TCG

Pokémon like Pikachu, who gained a pre-evolution, might have "Basic" with a number that corresponds with "Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow and Pokémon Trading Card Game". Sound like a fair compromise? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 00:15, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

It's accurate, and it makes sense. Sonic Mew 09:57, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Baby Pokemon do have gendar, and I do think that they get attracted too.in the video game.

But they can't breed. Although legendaries can't breed, you can catch one of them in the wild. But for baby Pokemon, you have to capture them by breeding Pokemon you catch, at least in the bideo game. jynx

That doesn't matter. They are still considered to be the basic forms, which is why what Sparky the Seventh Chaos said is correct.Sonic Mew 17:47, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • No no. Have a look at the cards! I mean, ADV cards and PCG cards.
Are you even listening? Yes, it is true in the cards. But not in the video games. Sparky the Seventh Chaos' comment is correct!Sonic Mew 14:48, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
Video games don't count evolution anyway.
Err...the video games do count evolution. The video games are where Pokémon evolution started!


I've set up the Pokemon stage pages according to the following definition of baby Pokémon:

  1. They belong to the unbreedable group.
  2. The only way to get them is from an egg. (This excludes all the legendary Pokémon).
  3. They evolve when they are happy.
  4. They haven't yet evolved.

Any Pokémon about which all the above are correct, I've marked as babies, and their evolutions as Basic.

By the way, Chansey doesn't follow rules 1 and 2, and the legendary Pokémon don't evolve (rule 3), nor do you get them from eggs(rule 2).

According to the rules above, the only Pokémon whose stages have changed are Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee. User142 22:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Not all baby Pokeon evolves by happiness. Smoochum evolves@ L30, so as Elekid and Magby. Video games don't state stages for Pokemon. S if you do want to state them, use cards.

slight change req'd re silver & gold

As I am new to this I thought I'd just drop a note in the discussion here.

According too Pokemon Games (which there is a link for at the bottom of the article), Pokemon Silver and Gold were both Gameboy Colour releases, but this isn't reflected in the article.

I also believe some type of timeline would be a great idea, even if only rough, eg.

  • 1996 Pokemon Red & Green (Jap)
  • 1998 Pokemon Red & Blue (US), Blue (Jap)
  • ...

If others would like me too I could dig a little deeper and get a timeline together.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by it not being reflected in the article. Pokémon Gold and Silver are compatible with both Gameboy and Gameboy Color. A timeline would definately be useful. Sonic Mew 13:51, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
If a timeline is created, I say it needs to go into Pokémon (video games), not here. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 02:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
Pokémon (video games) is already made for it. It is just a case of putting the dates in. Sonic Mew 13:09, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Redirect due to "technical limitations"

I suspect that most people who reach this article by typing something in the Go box type "Pokemon," rather than "Pokémon." However, I don't understand why it's necessary to have a message that says "Pokemon redirects here due to technical limitations." (This is Template:TLD.) That doesn't even sound like an accurate statement: The redirect is not due to technical limitations; it's due to people either not knowing that Pokémon has an accent, or not bothering to type it. I've gone ahead and removed the message. If someone knows of a good reason for bringing it back, please post here. --LostLeviathan 22:25, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You should put one if the name was just Pokemon but here it doesnt make any sense because its the exact opposite: Pokèmon is an added feature not a limitation.--Zxcvbnm 23:31, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Wrong Info

On this page it says Computer Soldier Porygon", see Banned episodes of Pokémon was the cause for the 685 health problems or whatever. But on the banned episodes page it says the episode was called Electric Soldier Porygon not Computer, could someone please fix this. I can't as I'm not experinced with this.--60.226.28.162 01:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Technically, neither is correct - both are translations of the original title Dennou senshi Porygon. Dennou may refer to computers or electronics in general, IIRC, so both are technically correct translations. kelvSYC 04:48, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
And, since it didn't get an official translation, either one is equally good. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 05:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Now some food for thought: Dennou in the title is done in kana, to reflect limited Japanese text ability on the GB/GBC. The corresponding kanji would have been 電脳. Most electronic J to E dictionaries would translate it as "computer". kelvSYC 05:55, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


Over Crowding

  • I wonder if it is better to put the "Religious controversy" into a seperate page and providing a link on the main page?

Same thing we did for the racial controversy thing. Because, the religion section was indeed quite a lot.


I don't see a clear break-out target for it. The "racial controversy" was moved to the page of the specific Pokémon in question, but I don't see where the sundry religious controversies could be merged. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 17:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I thought people were finding ways to shorten the article because people tend to claim Pokemon was "overcrowding". Anyway, it is only a suggestion, which does not deserve a verbal attack or mental attack. (You highlighted the last word in your usename black) jynx 13:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Verbal or mental attack? I changed my automatic signature a while ago, and all my posts for the last month (or maybe longer; I should check) have been like that.

As for how long Pokémon is getting, I agree, but I'm not sure that's the proper way to split it. Hmm. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 13:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for misunderstanding you.

  • Pokemon Manga can divide into another page, IMO jynx 20:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Every time I put new info on it gets scraped,couldn't they make a new page for religous conserversy? Deathunter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.77.99.183 (talk • contribs) 10:19, February 4, 2006 (UTC).

Reference Desk Question on Pokemon creator

Rod Lockwood asked the following question on the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities page .

I have found a conflict of information about who created Pokémon, but I have found no reference to the president of Creatures, Inc. (now Pokémon, Inc.), Tsunekazu Ishihara. I could not find any place to request an article. All paths lead only to requested articles which is not the same thing. There also was no catagory or sub-category for Pokémon under video games. Also, in the Pokémon group of articles there is no mention of Creatures/Pokémon, Inc even though Media Factory is mentioned.

Rod Lockwood

If you can provide any advice about this, it would be appreciated. Capitalistroadster 07:18, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Tsunekazu Ishihara is the creator of the Pokemon ANIME, NOT the theory Pokemon. No one would say he is the creator of Pokemon, because he isn't. He got the copyright for the anime that's all jynx 16:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
    • In "Game Design: Secrets of the Sages", 3rd Edition, there is an interview of Tsunekazu Ishihara. Since this is a book of interviews with game designers and the article really did not make it clear what Mr. Ishihara’s position was, it implied he created (or co-created) the Pokémon game. Perhaps it was unintentional, but he was interviewed and not Satoshi Tajiri, which was also a contributing factor. Personally, I would have preferred that they interviewed Mr. Tajiri in this case. Perhaps an article should be written to clarify the relationship between Game Freak and Pokémon, Inc.? Rod --216.144.215.136 23:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Book

This might make a nice reference: "Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokemon." Check it out! --Nymph 22:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Plz reference or remove

Pokémon has only belatedly made its way to the Islamic world. Some Muslim officials now claim that the word "Pokémon" means "I am a Jew" in Japanese, and believe the toy craze is part of a Jewish-Zionist conspiracy to turn Arab children away from Islam. A fatwa, or religious edict, issued by a Saudi sheik urges all Muslims to beware of the game, noting that most of the cards bear "six-pointed stars, a symbol of international Zionism and the state of Israel."

Salon.com is (sadly) not an authoritative source, and it would be nice to see *which* 'random sheikh' issued a fatwa, and *who* says that it means "I am a Jew". Sherurcij 16:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Adding to Good Articles list.

I'll go out on a limb here and put this into the Good Articles list. It's a new feature that identifies articles that conform to a lot of the FA statuses and can be improved upon. In fact, the German Pokemon article is featured, and I think with enough tweaking of facts and checking for errors and fixing things, this page should see similar status in the future. Toastypk 06:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't thinkl that that's ever going to happen. Because of its high vandalism levels, it'll never be "stable" - one of the FA requirements. --Celestianpower háblame 09:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think vandalism counts as making the article unstable as long as there are enough editors to make sure none slips through. I think the stability criteria is intended to prevent something like the Christmas debacle, which happened just days before it was to be featured on the Main Page (see Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Christmas). --AySz88^-^ 17:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Zbtb7 disambig

I added a disambig link to the Zbtb7 (Pokemon oncogene) article, but it was reverted. I see now that there is a section in this article about the gene. From the point of view of the Pokemon fan this is probably sufficient... but from the point of view of someone looking for info on the Pokemon gene it is not very useful. No one who's looking for info on the gene -- imagine a high school bio student assigned a short paper -- will read 300 lines into the article to find the reference to Zbtb7. (I nearly created a new article on the gene, because I couldn't find one one wikipedia until I looked up the reference in pubmed and found the name "Zbtb7".) I strongly think we need a disambig link at top. Thanks. bikeable (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I was actually the first to insert a disambig link, but then I removed it when I realized there already was a section. You may be right, but I'm not sure exactly how to deal with this. (In either case, you should probably use {{dablink}} instead of manually formatting the link.)--AySz88^-^ 19:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I think that a dab is useful; for example, WP:DAB suggests, "Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes "Go", what article would they realistically be expecting to view as a result?" For someone looking for the Pokemon gene, while they might not be surprised to see this Pokémon page, we're not providing a lot of help on how to get where they're going. Good point about the template. I would like to add the following:
This page is about the video game and related characters. For the oncogene called Pokemon, see Zbtb7.
What do you think? What do other Pokémon editors think? thanks. bikeable (talk) 18:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hearing no more objections, I added the disambig again. bikeable (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I object! I deleted it a few weeks ago cause I think it's pointless and doesn't fit in. If people want to see the oncogene, they will propably be smart enough to search for 'Pokemon oncogene', 'Pokemon gene', or 'Zbtb7', not just 'Pokemon'. There is a redirection page for 'Pokémon gene', but not one for 'Pokémon oncogene' yet. I'm not a user, and can't start new articles. But if someone who IS a user would like to make them, I would be pleased with that. 82.217.240.47 15:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Created redirects Pokemon oncogene and Pokémon oncogene. Thanks for the suggestion! Registration only needs a username and password (not even an email address) so feel free to register. --AySz88^-^ 00:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
By the way, to prevent misunderstanding, your change got reverted because it was embedded within a bunch of vandalism, but you can probably change it back. --AySz88^-^ 01:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Vandalised again? Man... the user(s) who did this do all get warnings right?
But anyway, I've removed the disambig again, and adapted the message to vandalisers a little bit (maybe they'll see it now). 82.217.240.47 13:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I put it back. We don't make assumptions in other articles that people will choose the correct title or a related redirect. There's no reason to make such an assumption here. Of course it "doesn't fit", otheruses templates never do. That's the point. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 15:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

It's unlogical to NOT make that assumption here. The otheruses template is to give users a link to an article with similarities in the name, right? There are two reasons why you should want to click on that link. 1: you looked for that article in the first place, thus the otheruses message helps you to find it. As I mentioned above, the chance that someone would NOT search for something like 'pokemon gene' is unlikely. 2: you're just interested. Now, why should users be interested in a gene which happens to have been called 'pokemon'? It's a funny fact that there was a gene that was called that way, and the user may click thoughtless on it. But is this really worth a otheruses template which, I think, doesn't fit at all in this article? This is an article about the biggest and most popular franchise of the '90's. And the first thing a user sees about it is... a message about some gene!?
It's seems pretty logical to me that this disambig is pointless and doesn't suit this for the rest excellent article at all. But apparently other users don't think that way, and keep adding it. But in case I'm not the only one who find that the Zbtb7 disambig should be removed; maybe we can vote about it?
82.217.240.47 20:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I just put back the disambig, agreeing with WikidSmaht and, of course, myself above. Your point about "the first thing a user sees" is a (very minor) problem with all disambigs, but that's the price you pay for clarity. Given the big logo, and the statement in the disambig itself that "this page is about the video game...", I don't think anyone will be confused. For what it's worth, I originally looked for it at Pokemon (gene), and came to this page because I couldn't find another and because I fully expected that there would be a disambig link that would take me to the right place without my having to fish around in the namespace. Adding every possible redirect to make sure a user types anything else gets to the right page, but not putting a redirect here, seems a little silly. I'd say also that the gene isn't just a random humorous fact about Pokemon, buy may be a very important scientific finding -- and we should make it as easy as possible to navigate WP. See also the way an almost identical situation is handled on Sonic the Hedgehog. If you really want to take it out, could we please discuss it here first -- I think other user opinions would be helpful as well. bikeable (talk) 18:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Neat Article

This is a very neat article/section. It brings back memories. I like it. I find it organized.--Depakote 02:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's very good. According to Allen3 it can not be a good article because it doesn't cite its sources. That's a real shame, but sincere I think. I wonder, for example, where all that information from the Controversy section comes from.
It's also regulary noted that this article lacks stability due to the large amount of vandalism, which is an even bigger shame.
82.217.240.47 19:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Stability actually refers to non-vandalism edits. You can't do anything to the article short of protecting it to pre-emptivly deal with vandals. Fieari 02:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
If citing is what is needed, I say go for it. Be bold! Toastypk 20:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I believe that most of the controversy information comes from word-of-mouth and internet rumors. You can see further up this page about a slight dispute about the sources of certain Muslims banning Pokemon. 141.152.11.118 02:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Large Article; Very crowded

Here are my comments on what really needs to be done to clean up and make this article so much better.

1) This article runs through the video games twice. Well, one section links to Pokémon (video games) which is where things SHOULD be, but there is a section that is completely redundant by listing all the "generations" in the main article. Why have the Pokémon (video games) page if we are still going to list everything on the main page? I suggestion moving the "generations" section into the video games page.

2) If we have a Pokémon (anime) page, why do we list so much anime information on this page? We should collapse it down and merge all the information into the anime page. it should be very much like the Card Game entry. A couple paragraphs with the link above it to the main article. Eric42 17:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Very yes. I know the article being huge was one reason for creating Pokémon (video games) in the first place, but then people kept inserting more info into the main page. Maybe there needs to be a commented-out note? --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The generations section was originally much shorter and more general, without all the game-specific info. I really should rewrite it to return to that state. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. I think indicating the differences between the games in each generation is important to undertanding how the franchise has evolved( no pun intended), because the changes to the games are usually reflected in other media. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 01:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, it was originally focused only on the differences between the generations shared through all the media. As such, there was a mention of the new types in the GSC gen and Pokémon contests in RSFRLG, but not the Pokégear or detailed descriptions of each game. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

This article should obviously be in its own WikiProject, which I just put in. Good luck editing, fellow Pokémon trainers/breeders/what was that word... Pokémaniacs! (Before you think that term is offensive, the video games themselves use that term to describe obsessed people WITHIN the games.) --Geopgeop 07:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Swastika vs Manji

The symbol referenced under the "controversy" section is a manji, and NOT a swastika. The insistence on describing the symbol as a swastika is sensationalism, and perpetuates a cultural misunderstanding needlessly. I've offered a more reasonable, culturally correct alternative twice, and both times it has been reverted without a reasonable explanation. The current paragraph is atrociously worded, and needs revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.199.239.197 (talk • contribs) 22:05, March 16, 2006 (UTC)

Read the swastika article. Both the word and the symbol are far older than the Nazis. In fact, the name is derived from Sanskrit. That is is merely a manji and so has nothing to do with a swastika is just positive spin- and in an encyclopedia, we do not spin things. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 23:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
But we are discussing a JAPANESE trading card which was designed by a JAPANESE artist for a JAPANESE franchise. It is extremely arrogant and disrespectful to those of Asian heritage to insist on calling the symbol a swastika when that word is not used to describe the symbol in Asia. I suppose next you'll tell me the nichi kanji is actually a letter B? Your reasoning is flawed; it is not a "positive spin" to clarify the origin and cultural significance of an image. I also find it very rude for you to take a lecturing tone when presenting your opinions, it's uncalled for. Further, you've yet to explain why it should be references as a swastika instead of a manji, even though I've provided several reasons why the latter term should be used. I am approaching this article as a speaker of Japanese and Korean, not as some rabid fangirl trying to put a happy spin on things. The current version of the article is misrepresentitve of the facts, and it is offensive to see the manji represented as anything but a manji. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.199.239.197 (talk • contribs) 05:22, March 17, 2006 (UTC)
I don’t particularly like the current version, but while your version is better-written, I object to what I perceive as removal of info, and also to the innacurate statement “The manji is a mirror-image of the swastika”. The manji is a variant of swastika( see this, particularly here and here). While it’s true that the Nazi swastika, the Hakenkreuz, is a “reverse manji”, like the map symbols, I think was inappropriate to make them seem like unrelated symbols, and I was too lazy to fix it, so I reverted it. My point is basically that, yes, in Japanese the swastika is called the manji, but it’s still a swastika, even though it doesn’t represent the Nazis in any way. If your edit reflects that, I won’t revert it. Also, don’t forget to sign your comments on Talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). -- WikidSmaht (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheez TV no longer airs

Hey, Cheez TV no longer displays Pokemon/Yu-gi-oh! etc.. It is now called Toasted TV, and shows a whole different set of programs (mainly American comic programs). I think the section on where episodes are show should be changed to reflect this. 129.94.6.28 00:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheese TV was awesome JayKeaton 12:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Slight edit, further edit needed?

I've removed this little bit from the controversy section:

An early episode featuring a bathing suit contest (featuring an under-18 Misty, not to mention Ash's mom, who won!) was pulled from the series, though it was added back later as a "lost episode". Ironically, the previous episode in the series which featured a wizened crone served hand and foot by speedo-clad young boys was deemed perfectly acceptable.

It's pretty well known that the given reason that episode was pulled was because of the fake breasts James was wearing. When it finally aired, the episode had all references to them removed yet Misty remained, so she was hardly cause for concern. To suggest Nastina's servants were "young boys" is downright wrong, they were clearly older than the young boys who earned regular character status (Ash, Todd, Richie, Tracy). And the part about Delia winning the contest just strikes me as out and out unnecessary. To be honest, I don't particularly agree one bit with suggesting 4Kids Americanising the anime is controversial. What are we to suggest they do? Keep in Japanese references that make no sense to American viewers? I'm not even American but I can see it's what we call "common sense" to aim it at your target market. Frankly, I don't think I could stand watching weekly episodes of "Ooh, Satoshi-san! You are baka!" --L T Dangerous 16:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Real World Pokémon

I am currently trying to add where Pokémon would live if they were real to each Pokémon's page. I have currently added this to these pages:

Jynx

Mewtwo

Blastoise

Aggron

I encourage people to add this to other Pokémon's pages, and when you do put the Pokémon on this list so that we keep on adding to the list and we know which Pokémon we have covered. I also hope that you won't just put say that so and so Pokémon live in only places in America, but places all over the world. Also, please write down the locations of where the Pokémon live in the biology/characteristics section if possible. Thank you.

This is speculation and original research, and as such is not appropriate to Wikipedia. Please don't add these to the Pokémon articles. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
NO YOU ARE WRONG. POKEMON ARE PURELY FICTIONAL. IF YOU TAKE OUT MY INFO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE OTHER INFO ABOUT THE POKEMON OUT TOO!!
Wikipedia can deal with fiction in a descriptive way. The problem is, what you're writing is original fiction (e.g. Mewtwo would live in such-and-such real-world place), and that's not appropriate to Wikipedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
no but my point is, pokemon isnt real so its okay if the information i say isnt real either.
Wikipedia reports on the fictional world of Pokemon and other fiction as described by the creators of the fiction. Wikipedia is not a place for fan fiction or speculation. It is verifiable, for instance, that Ratatat can be captured in the tall grass north of Palette Town in Pokemon Red for Gameboy. It is not verifiable that Ratatat could be found in the prairie grass of the central United States if it were real.—WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 00:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
yes but when the creators of pokemon created pokemon, they made the pokemon and speculated what the pokemon would be like if they were real. im doing the same thing so i see nothing wrong with it.
You are not one of the creators of Pokémon, however. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
(bangs head off desk) Stop! This is a game for eight-year-olds! You're theorizing, it's purely speculation! On the other hand, if you can dig up a news report saying that wild Jynx have been found wandering caves, then we'd happily add it! Okay? Great, Highway 23:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Chill out! As you propably all know we distinguish two main sources of information about a Pokémon: the Pokédex information from the games, and the information from the animes. That information should be in the articles anyway ('In the games' and 'In the anime'). Now, if you add something under 'In the games' about where the Pokémon usually hangs out (for example Jynx's in a cave), and it isn't specificly mentioned in the Pokédex, then it's not a big problem. As long as you be honest and don't go to far.
I checked out the Jynx page and I spotted this sentence: "Jynx live in icy cold caves or around icy cold caves." Well, that's not so bad.
If you want to see all in-game Pokédex entries, Pokémon locations, or any data of a specific Pokémon, you might want to check out this handy tool.
If you want to know what a specific episode was about, you could check the episode guides on other websites. You could even consider downloading the episode via an ed2k client.
Face 11:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the name

Apart from being short for "pocket monster", is it possible that Pokemon also refers to the Japanese word bakemon(o), which of course means "monster"? Or am I talking baka? Dave-ros 12:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Protection

Should this page be semi-protected. - Plau 13:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Understandable. Many vandalisms here, and some of them are repeating and not done from a static ip (for example 'the boosay guy'). We could semi-protect this page for a while. Then maybe they will just take an account to do it, but at least we can give them specific warnings then, so that they can see that their changes get reverted and that it's pointless to make them.
Face 17:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Good idea. I've kept an eye on the history for some time now, and I tell you 9 of the 10 changes made by non-members are just plain vandalisms. It are minor things, like changing the comment "Please don't delete/rename this header" into "Please delete/rename this header" and stuff like that. Little things, but if it happens 10 times a day, it's not minor anymore. So I say: yes, semi-protect this article.82.217.240.47 10:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. The more pages that a small group of fans/zealots protect in any way other than standard reverts, the more censored wikipedia will become. Stern vigilance, not preventionism! --67.71.1.173 06:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Wiki isn't censored much. Semi-protection is something exceptional, and this article has exceptionally much vandalism. Isn't preventing better then curing? I mean, there isn't much to change on this page anyway, and if there is let (loyal) members make them. And looking at the history, most edits are either vandalisms or vandalism reverts.
Face 18:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree with Face. There have been about six cases of vandalism in four-and-a-half days. I'm sure it gets very tiring for anybody who must revert constantly because some people are ignorant. I would like Wikipedia to be open to everybody. But when the vandals cannot be banned due to changing IP addresses (I would curse AOL if I was not currently using it), the page has to have some sort of protection. PrimeCupEevee 20:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
And most of us aren't admins! Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any good reason to semi-protect this page. While vandalism isn't uncommon, it's not rapid-fire, and I believe very strongly that openness is more important than the dubious prospect of reducing vandalism.
I won't be protecting or semi-protecting this article any time soon. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I did like "ITS FUCKING POKEMON WHAT ARE YOU DOING WASTING YOUR FUCKIGN LIFE ON THIS GOD DAMN GO GET LAID!!!" Handy advice, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 00:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I definitely have to agree with you. Also note the closeness between the vandal's post and my last edit. Presumably, the appearance in the "Recent changes" section attracted this vandal's attention. Since we'll (hopefully) be editing this page more often, the same situation could be more frequent.PCEevee 00:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand! There have been like nearly ten seperate vandals since yesterday, and about 2 in the last 15 minutes. All the major users here and too busy reverting this to do any work on the article. It has to stop. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

What’s more, with so many reversiosn, the editors keep missing some things. If the vandalism isn’t stopped, things will keep slippping through the cracks.-- WikidSmaht (talk) 18:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Who can we shove through RfA in a week? :P This comment is of a humorous nature and should not be brought up in any FAC/RfA or other debate/poll based on me/my edits or those who I support/nominate/object. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Straw poll

  • Support -- WikidSmaht (talk) 02:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support -- Four times in one day... Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support -- Face 16:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support -- Way too many vandals today. PCEevee 00:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support -- Semi-protection seems perfect compared to actual protection. Erik the Appreciator 16:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support -- THIS VANDALISM IS DRIVING ME CRAZY STOP IT! 145.92.6.47 09:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Um, you do realize that you won’t be able to edit the article yourself, unless you get an account and prove you’re a good contributor. Or were you being funny? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 08:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
      • It's Face I think. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 09:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Eh, no? He deleted his cookies I think.
          Face 12:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Result

No more vandals! :D Thanks Cel was getting finally around to it. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 10:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon in the World

Just one question, Where pokemon is great and in where is "bad" around THIS world? -68.99.191.107 00:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Huh!? Mhking 00:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Well I remain utterly mystified. If yon chap can translate his banter into some species of English perhaps we can engage in something resembling a dialogue. -ZeroTalk 00:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I think he means: "Where in this article does it say that I think Pokémon is great but others around the world thinks it's bad?" Otherwise I'm lost, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
No, he means: "Where on this world do people think Pokémon is 'bad' (evil)?". Now that I think of it, a few countries indeed banned Pokémon. If I recall correctly, the Czech Republic was one of them, after two kids threw themselves out of the window, because they thought they had the same powers as the Pokémons they saw on tv.
Face 18:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
We have a translator in the house! --Celestianpower háblame 18:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Heheh, nice. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Question I heard the other day

I heard someone ask somebody the other day: "How do you get Pikachu on a stick?" To which it was answered: "Pokemon!" (me ducks for cover) --Ta bu shi da yu 17:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

*groans and hurls fruit...* --AySz88^-^ 18:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
When does a Pokémon go to Nurse Joy? When his Bulb-is-sore! XD Blame Jessie.. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
What do you get if you cross a Pikachu with a pizza? A Pizzachu!--Face 11:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, this a fine discussion indeed, so here's MY input: What is black and white and red all over? A decapitated Mightyena. Erik the Appreciator 04:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Mightyena aren't white.. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
They are greyish-white on the under-side. What do you call a Blaziken fire-fighter? A very stupid mistake. Seven-point-Mystic 16:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, sorry, but I didn't have time to think about the best Pokemon to describe as "black and white", so here I'll make amends: What's black and white and red all over? A bloody Absol! (After all, it is the Disaster Pokemon.) Erik the Appreciator 16:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now here's a great one IMHO: Why is Pikachu not as popular with women as you would think? Because he likes to Pikachu in the shower! Erik the Appreciator 16:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

And males like it? :P Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I quote the guidelines (emphasis mine):

The purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the article in question. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play. Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. It's only the habits we encourage that keep Wikipedia from turning into a slanging match.

Please, stop using the Talk pages as if it were a board. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 17:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

(nods) I would blame Ta bu shi da yu strictly for placing this joke here. Unforgivable. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, me too. And sorry for my contributing. Erik the Appreciator 18:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hehehehe, I hope I did not sound too harsh :-) But if a casual user comes here and see the jokes, next time they may try to put jokes in the main article. -- ReyBrujo 06:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Recasting Controversy

Holy cow! I had never heard of Jamie Peacock. I never saw the special, so I can't say anything from experience. We need to get the old 4Kids cast back! 71.111.215.224 22:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)