Talk:Pokémon (anime)/Archive 1

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Go to IMDB.com, 66.169.209.193. Go to Pokemon: Destiny Deoxys's company credits. You'll see.

What in the holy name of crap was you thinking, 68.83.242.193? Kids WB is not a production company. It's only a kids' programming block! 66.191.240.103 01:41, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The next person to read this message should remove "Kids WB" from the last sentence before "Series Names". 66.191.240.103 20:56, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Done. I'm no Pokemon anime expert myself but I do agree with your reasoning. I'm sure if there's a good reason for it being there someone else can re-add it and post the reason here. Note that I've edited your remark, it's not exactly obscene but please do not say things that will potentially offend Wiki users, even incognito ones (like yourself I might add). Master Thief Garrett 05:37, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Note - "Holy name of crap" was for a while replaced with "[censored by Garrett]" - I have added back the comment and commented. WhisperToMe 07:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Garrett, while it may not be wise to cuss, it's best not to remove cuss words. Wikipedia is not bowdlerized for childrens' protection. WhisperToMe 07:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents

The Lead/Intro

What are peoples thoughts on the length of the intro/lead? It seems rather long to me and seems like some of the info should be split into subsections. Grahams Child 20:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The Banned episodes part

Is it ok if I merge the information of Electric Soldier Porygon in this page with the info on the Banned episodes of Pokémon page? I think that is where it belongs. As for the rest of the banned episode info here: it can stay I think. As some sort of short summary. The user can go to the main banned article if they want more information. What do you guys think? 82.217.240.47 20:17, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Lanturn Picture

That isn't an anime picture of Lanturn, it's a Ken Sugimori video game manual illustration.

It being in the movies section was even sillier, so I got rid of it in place of a movie logo. Tetsuya-san 08:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Pokémon Chronicles

"In the fall of 2005, an English version of Housoukyoku, titled Pokémon Chronicles, will air on Kids WB."

Is this true? I thought the USA would only be getting it on DVD!

It's going to air in the future, but the Fall 2005 KWB lineup still has one timeslot for Pokémon. Unless they put AG on hiatus, it's likely that Chronicles will not air in the fall. kelvSYC 23:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Right. I've changed it. It now reads as "An English version of Housoukyoku has now been made, titled Pokémon Chronicles, which will air on Kids WB in the future." Sonic Mew 20:20, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

From what I hear, Kids WB will be airing 2 new episodes of AG starting in September, which is a bad idea because of future repeats, a better solution is starting 9-17, air one AG episode and one Chronicles, Kids WB is also expanding to five hours in the near (not very near) future, maybe making room for Chronicles and another show? CoolKatt number 99999 06:03, 17 August 2005

2 new episodes of AG in September is correct, as it is sweeps time and they need to milk Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! (KC Grand Prix, although persistent rumors have it that they will skip the entire arc altogether) as much as possible for the ratings (and also gauge Coconut Fred, Johnny Test, and Loonatics for ratings - one of the three will fail IMO). KWB's expansion to five hours on Saturday and the end of its weekday run will come at the start of the February sweeps, so it should be then we will see Chronicles, although something tells me they'll have the new hour for two of MegaMan (still half of Axess is left after all...), Jackie Chan (their "standby" series just in case any series failed - it has proven itself to be a ratings winner), Static Shock (not likely, but...), and Xiaolin Showdown (although they will be well into their Wudai arc), or two new as-yet undetermined series. It might also seem like we might see the English Mew/Lucario movie before Chronicles airs... kelvSYC 14:23:05, 2005-08-17 (UTC)
However, in January 2006, Kids' WB will cease their daytime programing, and is has been stated that the entire library will move to TimeWarner corporate sibling Cartoon Network for weekday airings. How many of you are happy about this? CoolKatt number 99999

Shaking Island Battle! Barboach vs. Whiscash

Shaking Island Battle! Barboach vs. Whiscash separate page worked on unsigned comment by Jsmith

Why do we need a seperate page for it? I can see it endng up on vfd very quickly! And while we are at it, is Pokémon: Battle Frontier an actual Series name? I was under the impression that it is still part of AG. Sonic Mew June 29, 2005 20:36 (UTC)
Indeed, there was never a Pokémon: Battle Frontier Tetsuya-san August 19, 2005 5:07 (UTC)

DVD info?

For those who are better-informed on the topic than I: What DVDs of the show have been/will be released? Last I heard, they were still being released in 3- or 6- (can't remember which) episode DVDs; is this still the case? Are there any plans to start releasing season-by-season box sets, like most other TV shows? Etc., etc. --zenohockey 23:38, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The entire Pocket Monsters is out on DVD already at this time (both in original and English forms). As for AG, Housoukyoku, Sunday, or other specials, early episodes of AG are available in original and English forms, and Chronicles is scheduled for DVD release. kelvSYC 07:53:57, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

Grudges, Yay, or Nay?

Lately, someone's been trying to put that section about grudges in the anime. I happen to be of the opinion that it does not belong in Pokémon anime article at all. It's very specific stuff about events in the anime that have no basis in providing a general understanding on what the Pokémon anime is all about. Seriously, do we need to know who hates who, if it isn't the core part of the series' plot?

I don't think it should be included. Besides the fact that it is written in a style far more suited to a fan website, its subject is extremely specialist and, dare I say it, inane. The section's content is an entire Wikipedia article of the same name that is currently pending deletion with an overwhelming number of "Delete" votes, and its supporters do not exactly use the most winning of arguments... Sinistro 14:40, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
OK, I will put the "grudges section" as a sub-page of my user profile. Happy now? CoolKatt number 99999

Essentially the same thing is happening with the contents of Cultural references in Pokémon. It's still very specific stuff about events in the anime that have no basis in providing a general understanding on what the Pokémon anime is all about. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm warning you, I will ask Amren to report you. CoolKatt number 99999
Report me to whom? You've just violated the WP:3RR rule just now (which doesn't really bear reporting, since it's barely in 24 hours, and I'd rather understand your viewpoint and respond to it rather than asking an admin to hit you with a temp ban), and I won't be reverting because I don't plan on violating it myself. I've invited you to report me somewhere instead of making threats, and I've even brought this up on Amren's talk page.
Now, enough threats. Why does this list belong in the article? No "I WILL REPORT YOU" or "DON'T TOUCH THIS," but a calm refutation of "This list is composed of very specific stuff about events in the anime that have no basis in providing a general understanding on what the Pokémon anime is all about." - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
1. I did not actually revert the third time, and it says 3< are not allowed
2. I have asked to get the page protected CoolKatt number 99999
In this case, we have both reverted. Each of us changed the page back to a preferred previous version. That's reverting, even if you're reverting something back into the article. With that in mind, you might want to read WP:3RR carefully; I really don't want to see you in trouble, honestly.
Who did you ask, and where? With what justification? I'm willing to stop reverting and talk, and if you are as well (and trust me to continue to do so), then protection is unnecessary. With that in mind, adding {{vprotected}} is not asking for the page to be protected. That's a tag for admins to use when they have actually protected a page. WP:VIP is for edits you feel are vandalism, and I think Wikipedia:Third opinion is where you ask for a third opinion in a two-person dispute. (I'm not sure about that; I just found that page right now.)
What I do know for sure is that, even if you disagree with someone even to an extreme degree, don't accuse people of vandalism unless you honestly believe their intentions are malicious.
That all aside, I'm still curious: How is this list not composed of very specific stuff about events in the anime that have no basis in providing a general understanding on what the Pokémon anime is all about? What does it contribute to the article other than a generic "trivia" section, something that Peer Review and the people doing Featured Article reviews recommend that be removed or turned into prose all the time. The fact that article this isn't quite up to FA status yet doesn't mean that this list isn't any less inappropriate for this article. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:50, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Why keep the list? Many people that know about cultural references on other TV shows could be curious to know what references to culture have occurred on Pokemon, like me. CoolKatt number 99999
That's not what I asked. How is it not composed of very specific stuff about events in the anime that have no basis in providing a general understanding of what the anime is all about? Right now, it's just a list of random, loosely-connected facts, and that's something Wikipedia is not. I'm not saying isn't not interesting (although I don't think most of the factoids are very interesting, frankly), I'm saying it's not encyclopedic.
There are places for lists of random trivia, like fansites or even fan wikis. Wikipedia is neither. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:10, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
How is it not composed of very specific stuff about events in the anime that have no basis in providing a general understanding of what the anime is all about? It is a source of info for people that know about cultural references on other TV shows who are curious to know what references to culture have occurred on Pokemon, like me. CoolKatt number 99999
Are we agreed that it's a list of random trivia, then? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:17, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Partially, but I still think it's useful. And lots of animated shows-American and foreign alike-have cultural references to keep the humor level up, and anime needs to have its humor-even in the form of cultural references. CoolKatt number 99999
None of those are reasons that it's not a list of random, loosely-connected trivia, per WP:NOT. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 04:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

In the middle of a split

Before reverting apparent blanking by me, please note that I'm in the middle of creating List of Pokémon characters, splitting the lengthy lists out of this article. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:48, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind for the time being. I'm not going to remove information from this page until the merge target is done. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:19, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Computer Soldier Porygon

shouldn't this be "Computer Soldier Polygon"? In Japanese that would become an r too, and I think it makes a lot more sense. Shinobu 12:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Porygon is a Pokémon, and they kept the R for the English-language name. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 18:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

If it's official, it's official. Thanks! Shinobu 15:57, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Protected

I've protected this for a short period to give editors an incentive, and the opportunity, to resolve their differences over cultural references. --Tony SidawayTalk 08:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, AMIB, what would be a good reason that the cultural references list is not a list of random, loosely-connected trivia? CoolKatt number 99999
Er. I think it's random, loosely-connected trivia. That's why I removed it from the article. Random, loosely-connected trivia is nonencyclopedic. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to say this to CoolKatt number 99999. It's one thing adding original material that has debatable relevance to an article. It's a totally different thing when you're adding material directly copied from an existing article on Wikipedia: Cultural references in Pokémon. --Daniel Lawrence 20:48, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

It's one more thing to copy that material in order to save it. CoolKatt number 99999
Then save it into your user page. Wikipedia is not there for you to deface. --Apostrophe 05:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I saved the article on my hard drive, so I could keep a copy of it after its deletion. Think about it - if the material in that article has been debated and then deleted, then adding it to another article does not make it any more worthy to keep. I understand you want to keep the original article, so why not re-write it, to save it from deletion, or start from the beginning once it has been deleted? This does not mean copy+pasting the current article, but using some of the more useful and relevant information from it to build a better article with some use and interest. If you continuously keep trying to add the current material to other articles like this one, then that is classed as vandalism.--Daniel Lawrence 09:30, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Unprotected. Enough for now. Let's see if we can have edits without warring. I'll be watching and will only intervene if it looks like more sterile warring. --Tony SidawayTalk 11:27, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

In Response...

Note: This is not about cultural references... Quote: A Man In Black from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural references in Pokémon-There are two different Pokémon-related Wikiprojects that are defending valid articles while helping to keep sucky ones under control. If you ask me, I actually worked hard on that article, before I created my user name, and I now believe that you and Sinistro rigged the debate using sock puppets, I am asking those who voted "keep" to investigate this newly-dubbed scandal. CoolKatt number 99999 21:31, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I tire of the accusations, CoolKatt. Please present evidence (heck, start an WP:RFC against me if you feel you must) or cut it out. I assure you, though, I don't have any sort of grudge against you. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 00:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
You're being too overprotective and paranoid over minor writing that you gave up all right to when you decided to make an article out of it on Wikipedia. Stop behaving as if a gross injustice was committed aganist you.
As a nice bonus, here's the edit histories of everybody who you've accused for being sock puppets (that you were too paranoid to look at for whatever reason).
  1. Dottoreso
  2. Sabine's Sunbird
  3. Oppolo
  4. Gtrmp
  5. WindFish
  6. Sonic Mew
  7. Sean Curtin
  8. Ferret
  9. Purplefeltangel
Bit too much work for sock puppets, I'm certain. Stop making people entertain your delusions of grandeur. --Apostrophe 01:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure your covering up for them, it is also possible that they (the accounts) were hacked into and used by AMIB and Sinistro, and looking at edit histories of others to me is treason, plus unsafe the the users themselves. CoolKatt number 99999 14:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, we're partaking in a two-man conspiracy to delete an article. Christ, get over yourself. --Apostrophe 16:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm absolutely speechless. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 23:38, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

English and Japanese naming

In the "Characters" section, why are Japanese names given first, rather than English names? This is an English encyclopedia and the articles on Wikipedia use the English names when possible, so why the odd deviation here? --Apostrophe 22:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Because nobody has changed it yet. This article, Pokémon, and Pokémon (video games) used to refer to the Japanese names as the "actual" names, with the English-language names added as an afterthought. I'm in the process of splitting the lengthy character list out to List of Pokémon characters and replacing it with a shorter list of principles, but I haven't finished splitting it out yet. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 23:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Ah, so it's a old leftover? Thanks for the explanation; I'll be changing them. For now, at least. --Apostrophe 02:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Pikachu's Summer Festival /Pikachu's Ghost Carnival

Are those two shorts the min-movie for movie 7 and 8??

  • Pikachu's Summer Festival
  • Pikachu's Ghost Carnival
No they're not. They're shorts shown on planes. -Tetsuya-san 03:53, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually, they were the Pikachu shorts for the respective years. They were just shown on thre planes rather than in the cinema before the main feature. Sonic Mew | talk to me 10:37, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

pop culture

Whats with the episode titles, I hate the episodes titles for the US verison, common words "I feel Skitty", there stupid!!


All Torkoal, No Play Manectric Charge Delcatty Got Your Tongue Disaster in Disguise Disguise da Limit Takin' the Lombre Home

Maybe they're translated or something? Or maybe they meant it like that? I think they meant it to be pop-culture references. Somebody's laughing out there. The game Lemmings does the same thing with their levels. Davidizer13 18:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Not really much for me to say. They're pop culture references and in no way, exact translations of the Japanese titles. If you're commenting on the fact the episode names you hate are there, they're there for a proper reason. --Anthony Jake La (Tetsuya-san; talk : contribs) 08:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Ever heard of a magical little thing called a comma? It looks like this: , -- PinkDeoxys 21:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

First of all, Wikipedia isn't the place for conveying your opinions like that. Second, the titles are meant for kids, most of whom would think they were at least sort of funny. While the names of some episodes could drive away potential viewers, it's really the material covered that should matter. CatMan 03:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
But not only for kids, I'm an adult and I like some of the tiles. But back on topic:
But how do you know the tiles are references of something? How do you know it's not a conicidence? Unless you can answer these questions it doesn't belong here. Besides most shows have tiles refering to popular culture, or things inside the show that is from another culture, so it isn't important mentioning it as it in no way is special for the pokémon anime. TheBlazikenMaster 17:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon Geolgenm / Pokemon Evolution

Pokemon Geolgenm

Featuring the characters of Brock (Pokemon), May (Pokemon), Max (Pokemon), Alex (pokemon), Annie (pokemon) and Kevin (pokemon. The japan television in April 19, 2008 and June 27, 2009 on Toonami and Cartoon Network

WHAT is this??? - Plau 07:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like vandalism to me. kelvSYC 07:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about?

Article length

The intro needs to be more of an intro, most of the information there should be in some section. The section of the movies seems to be a prime candidate for a summary/spin-off article. However, that is no reason to go and delete the page outright. Kotepho 20:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Episode guides?

I see user Ragnaroknike has been busy the last months making guides for the first three episodes: Pokémon - I Choose You!, Pokémon Emergency and Ash Catches a Pokémon. I'm wondering: is Wikipedia actually the place for articles like these? -- Face 14:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
P.S.: Just saw this discussion.

Given the results of the AFD debate, as well as the precedent of other TV articles on Wikipedia, I think there's a pretty clear consensus that episode articles are encyclopedic. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, then I guess the Pokémon Collaborative Project has hereby yet another goal. -- Face 19:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
P.S.: Starblind (and many others), please stop using the deprecated <font> tag.
Yes, and that goal is to redirect every single Pokémon episode name to the list of episodes. :/ - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


Regarding the way character lists are made

Guys, some of thse "Bulbapedia" standards fly in the face of Wikipedia's own standards for Japanese names. First off...

マサムネ, Masamune is a no-no. Instead... "Masamune (マサムネ)" as we do in other Japan-related articles.

Also, if the name is the same in both versions (Pikachu comes to mind), don't be redundant! Also... the list should always keep Japanese names first since this is done in all other character lists. WhisperToMe 07:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Episode Count

Isn't that 410 number incorrect? At this point they are up to episode 409, and even that isn't correct in the number of episodes aired in the US. There were several episodes that were never aired in the US(they are listed in the banned section of the article). Spyke 00:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

"Relationships" section

While looking at the page I stumbled upon this. O.o While it seems realisitc, it could be controversal. Should I remove it? What is your opinion? --Moped 03:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe it really doesn't have a place here. Within the invidiual character articles, maybe, but without sources, it should be deleted ASAP. 69.223.138.29 23:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Pokémon's Original U.S. Run

Why doesn't it say anything about Pokémon's original U.S. run? It was NOT on Kids WB at first. Originally, it was on UPN Kids. 02:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Alexzero77

No, it was in syndication, on your (and my) local UPN affilate. Some areas had it on WB and FOX affiliates. Matty-chan 03:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

The entire section of the response to the change in voice actors is messy, but the last paragraph is extremely biased. Whoever added the information should learn to keep facts and opinions seperate. --Antoshi~! T | C 16:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Cast Article

What happened to the article about the cast and about re-casting?65.115.123.226 21:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Read the article above your's. Nauto 20:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning the Page UP.

Can we finally get this cleaned up to Wiki's guidelines...meaning someone edit out all the Japanese/4Kids stuff in the show. Have this be informative, not a battle of Eastern/Western references on the show. I'd clean it up myself but I'm not going to do all the work for it to be reverted in 2 seconds. Please let's agree to this.

Always be sure to leave your signiture, type "~"x4. Anyway, what's wrong with US/Japan refference. Some people like the original name in Japanese. I don't see what the problem, but I'll let the veteran wikipedian handle this situation. Either way, I got no problem how it's format. Nauto 20:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem either but we do not need Kanji next to the names as well...it's making the page look horribly ugly, I love the Japanese, but let's just clean the page up a bit for now so it meets wiki's standards. Pokemaster Justin

This is the English Wikipedia, meaning the English names are supposed to be used. TJ Spyke 06:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Make sense to me. Nauto 18:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

WP's anime rule is English version takes priority. Matty-chan 03:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Pokemon Movie Descriptions.

Can someone get more detailed plot analysis of the movies? Right now they look like they were written by a 3 year old, also I'm updating the villians and recurring characters...the page is coming along quite awesome compared to the mess it was before.

Does anyone agree with me getting better movie plot lines or no?


Excuse me, but I got a message telling me to stop editing stuff, when I haven't edited anything. My sister, who can type, and my other sister, who really hates me and pokemon couldv'e done this.

Wikiquote page is CRAP.

It irritates me how the page on wikiquote, just about every single quote (except several) are completely made up, a few from several hoaxes (Ash/Misty in love, etc. etc.), and some ARE ones from the show, just several words are missing/innacurate. I've also noticed the occasional vandalism. Can somebody do something about this? --RedPooka 06:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the page and I agree with you, but this is Wikipedia, not Wikiquote. If you want to change it, get an account there and fix it yourself. Kochdude388 22:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Rerun channels?

Someone just removed the Kids' WB!, Toonami Jetstream, and Miguzi categories from the page due to them being "rerun channels". What's wrong with that? And another thing, Kids' WB! is not a "rerun channel", they aired the English-language version of Pokémon in the US the longest! And the category applies to all shows on them anyway. I mean Naruto isn't airing new episodes on Toonami Jetstream, and Winx Club and One Piece and Zatch Bell! didn't air any new episodes on Miguzi, but they are still in those respective categories. I would have done it in the edit description but ran out of space. Matty-chan 04:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television#Categories, "TV series should avoid network categories when they were not originally produced for that network." CovenantD 04:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Then why remove the Kids' WB! category? Kids' WB! is the farthest thing from a "rerun channel" when it comes to Pokémon - it was the US exclusive home of new episodes for the longest time. Matty-chan 11:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Puns

Is there any way we can mention the hundreds of puns found thruout the series?

What exactly does that offer the article? -Sukecchi 01:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Nothing really. It's just something that constantly occurs in the episodes and movies that people might want to note.--Herb-Sewell 03:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • No it's stupid and doesn't need to be mentioned at all, there is a brief mention about it already.

Japanese Movie Titles on the English Main Page

I've taken the time to delete the romanizations of the alternate tites, if one wants to know the Japanese reference to it, there is plenty of info about it on the respective pages. It made the page look stupid.

Pokémon: Season 1!

The first season's coming out on DVD on 11/21/06![1] Can someone put a DVD cover picture on this article? 16:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded to : Pkmnindigo.jpg‎ on wikipedia but I'm unsure how to put pictures in ;p

Contradiction (possible vandalism)

This article says: "The First Pokemon Series Was Aired On Nickelodeon On April 14,1990. In the USA BBC Scottland In 1989 And Tv Tokyo In 1991." Pokémon Red and Blue says: "Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue (known in Japan as Pocket Monsters: Red and Green) are the first two installments of the Pokémon series of role-playing video games, released for the Game Boy in Japan in 1996." This article also says the anime is based on the video game series. Unless I'm mistaken, this means that something was based on something that didn't exist back then. I suppose this is incorrect? VDZ 13:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course this is incorrect. If this was true there would be at least 700 episodes of pokémon by now.

Misty had a crush on Ash?

Is that just a product of the fan's imagination? I mean, is that explicitly expressed at any season? John earlm 07:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It's been hinted, at best. Shipping plays a HUGE role in most of the 'references', although Pokemon: The Movie 2000 seemed to suggest it. It's never been flat out said, unless you count the Pokémon: Live! show as canon. Kochdude388 22:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

"Hinted" does not mean "supported". There's a difference. It must be point-blank obvious on at least one occasion. Otherwise, it isn't necessarily true. -- Altiris Exeunt 04:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC) yes in the second pokemon film she tells to love Hash,but nothing else;it's never revealed to Hash.In a episode, misty and Hash are captured by Team Rocket and james asks them(with irony) if they are a couple and they angrily answer no —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.1.65.29 (talk • contribs)

The 2BA master CD has a song called "Misty's Song" that's supposedly Misty singing that she loves Ash, but this can be 4kids garbage most likely and non-canonical Mavrickindigo 17:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Airing and production of the series - PUSA and the new voice cast

It should be noted that there is controversy among the fans for the voice acting change - Though it should be completely neutral. I added a small sentence with this in mind. --Puff 20:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

In the Anime

How come every time I look at a pokemon species article, "In the Anime" section says "In the Pokemon anime which does not follow canon set by the games, exept Pokemon Yellow which is based on the anime, Ash and his companions May and Hikari travel around the Pokemon world with their pokemon Piklachu, Blaziken, and Pochama." Shouldn't Brock be counted as his companion? Misty was his FIRST companion, May was only in Advanced Generation, and Hikari has just joined the Pokemon series. May and Hikari are NOT his first companions or even his main companions. Plese help rewrite this.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.224.10.230 (talk) 15:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It's inserted in the article through the use of {{subst:Pokeanime}}. Personally, I don't like it, since it duplicates information on other articles and doesn't really help with a reader's understanding of the subject (generally one of the species of Pokémon or something). A link to Pokémon (anime) would probably suffice.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 18:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Each episode needs its own page.

SpongeBob episodes have their own page. Family Guy episodes have their own page. DuckTales episodes have their own page. Charmed episodes have their own page. So why the hell shouldn't pokémon have their own page? I mean c'mon, pokémon might not have as much reference as family guy (the biggest reference collection I'm aware of, even bigger than Simposons) but it still has some references. Notably or not, it still has some. Also, we can add what pokémon appeared in that episode. SpongeBob has very few references, yet all the episodes have their own articles. I know episodes have been made but then made redirect, but this is ridicilous. I really think pokémon episodes deserve their own page. If the shows I noted have, I see no reason for pokémon to be any different. I hope you get my point. TheBlazikenMaster 20:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC) (Hey, remember to keep it polite and clean. No swearing, please.) 67.182.178.220 00:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I am keeping it clean. Hell isn't as offensive as the f word. And also please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not censored. Especially not for words that don't offend anyone, or at least few. If I offended you, sorry that I did. But hell isn't very huge swearing word, really. TheBlazikenMaster 01:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I do get your point, but there are literally almost 500 episodes, and I'm betting there will be many more to come. I'm not saying I hate the idea. I'm just saying it would be very difficult to do. 206.66.217.141 22:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The major issue is that Pokémon, like a lot of other serial or semi-serial shōnen anime (such as Naruto, One Piece, etc.) has a relatively low level of plot content in each episode. It's mostly just a consequence of the slower pacing of anime aimed at younger age groups, and not of anything about Pokémon specifically. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 11:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point, but I just noticed that there are Naruto episode summaries, as well. 206.66.217.140 20:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

People WANT these episodes to have their own pages, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't, other than "we shouldn't". It wont increase load on any servers, it will make wikipedia a more definitive place for pokemon fans and researchers and it would be a very fun project! You could do things like mention which pokemon made their first appearance in which episode, when Ash trades, evolves, catches or gives away a pokemon in his collection. JayKeaton 05:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia really need to have pages for each of the episodes? There are fan sites (such a Serebii) which have pages for them, so it really just doesn't seem all that important to have them here. If people really want summaries, why don't they just go to the fan sites with them already made and ready? Kohkoa 18:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
So many other tv shows do it. "People can look somewhere else" and "does wikipedia need pages on the episodes?" still do not seem to be good enough reasons NOT to make pages for the episodes. People will always want to see them here, or click some wiki links on episode names to see if there is a page on the episode, so it seems to me that by not allowing people to make these pages you are just disappointing the wikipedia viewers that are trying to see them JayKeaton 19:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I know I wasn't the first one coming with that idea. There is a possibility, maybe, to get the episode articles without copying from Bulbipedia. But there aren't many references outside the world of pokémon, that aren't just some conicidence. The reason why shows such as Family Guy have their own episode articles is because every episode has references to other culture. TheBlazikenMaster 20:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
There is still so much that you can put in each episode, like I said about his pokemon, pokemons first appearance, pictures of each pokemon as they first appear in the show, status on how many badges he has so far and stuff. It would be so cool! I think I just peed a little in all the excitement! JayKeaton 16:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
That's exactly how Bulbipedia is about. Is there ANYTHING that can be added to episode guide and letting the articles be different from Bulbipedia? TheBlazikenMaster 19:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia can't link to other wiki sites anyway JayKeaton 15:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone EVER thought of just watching the episodes and typing about what's happening in the episode as they watch it? I'd be surpriced actually if nobody has. I mean, the article Pokémon (anime) has been for over a year, right? TheBlazikenMaster 18:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I just want to be sure...

The article states that according to Misty's Japanese voice actress, Misty will return in a later episode. Does she mean as a guest appearnce only or will she be added back to the main cast? 206.66.217.141 22:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

We don't know. >_> -Sukecchi 22:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
You mean YOU don't know, as you say it with your eyes closed JayKeaton 14:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
No, we really don't know what that means, until we do, it's all speculation. -Sukecchi 14:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Based or not?

I think in the beginning statement it should say, "Bold textLoosely based on the video game series" since it is so loosely based on it; if you can even call it based at all. Sincerely,67.182.178.220 00:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess it depends on the definition of "Loosely based" Mavrickindigo 18:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
If you think about it, forms of entertainment that are based on video games or anything are always loosely based. Find a show based on a video game series and see how strongly based the show is on the games. Shows like Sonic X, Kirby: Right Back at Ya!, the old Mario cartoons the old Sonic cartoons, and old The Legend of Zelda cartoon are very loosely based on their respective series. I believe Pokémon is more strongly based on the games than one may think. I think other than how Pokémon battles are done in the anime, Pokémon does probably the best job of having its series relate to its video game series. Why else would it be on much longer than any of the shows I mentioned above? 206.66.217.142 22:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Because Nintendo is far away from being out of ideas. Hell, maybe I should watch some of the shows you mentioned. I have some Sonic X DVDs, only 2 (lost one), and you're right. That show happens in a city, not some place with strange creatures that chance into birds or something when you jump on them. TheBlazikenMaster 22:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, with the second season of Sonic X, it's more based on the Sonic Adventure games and even little bit of Sonic Battle, but even then, it's loosely based on them.

Differences from the Games?

Should there be a section detailing various differences from the games? I'm talking large ones like how Mr. Fuji is a scientist that creates Mewtwo in the anime and no parts of the games say that either him or team rocket had anything to do with Mewtwo's creation. As well as how Lightning Rod in the anime makes a pokemon weak to electricity while in the game it draws electric attacks to itself as opposed to its partner. Mavrickindigo 18:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can't see why not. You should do it if you feel like it, but keep in mind there are trillions of differences. For example, Pikachu defeated a Golem in cameo in Pokémon: The First movie, as well as other things. TheBlazikenMaster 18:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Rock/Ground Pokémon don't seem to have ground characteristics... though it would probably be original research to mention that. --Sonic Mew 23:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Syndication history

As far as I can remember, here are some stations that used to syndicate this program. By syndication, I mean "No Kids' WB, please," but some stations are exceptions. Everyeditcounts 16:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Goldstar Talent Agency?

I am a bit confused by the reference for the following sentence:

"The voice cast was also replaced by Goldstar Talent Agency working through TAJ..."

(http://www.baltimoreperforms.org/industry_managersnyc.html) This page only provides information on contacting Goldstar Talent Agency and other agencies. Why is this page cited as a source? It explains no relation to TAJ. --Puff 19:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right. It has no reference to pokémon. Believe me I checked. Not even TAJ, which would make more sense as the sentense is about TAJ. Tell you what we will keep this footnote for five days (May 28th being the deadline), and if we still haven't gotten a reliable source, we should remove the sentense. TheBlazikenMaster 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for looking into this! Seeing as how it's May 29th now, I reverted the sentence to what it was before. The whole paragraph seems kinda messy, but hopefully this will do for now. Feel free to clean up anything! --Puff 19:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

ok, Satoshi Tajiri did create the anime series, did he not?

Ok, near the end of the credits of every episode (and possible every movie and special) it says "Created by: Satoshi Tajiri". wouldn't that mean that, not only did he create the games, but he also created the anime as well? I mean, if it said "Based on the video game series that was made by Satoshi Tajiri" then yeah, at least it mentions that Satoshi had no role in the creation of the anime whatsoever apart from it being based off of his games. But it clearly said that Satoshi Tajiri was the one who created the anime. And the credits are my primary source, my secondary source is bulbapedia. If you look up the staff credits of the pokemon films/specials, it also lists Satoshi Tajiri as the guy who created it as well.

Has the show been cancelled in the usa?

I noticed on the episode list for diamond and pearl that only 27 episode have aired and the others have not been aired. Does this mean the show is cancelled? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.149.95 (talk) 07:52, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Correction: Only 24 episodes have aired in North America. Three are scheduled to air in September, all within a week of each other. I highly doubt that the series is cancelled after that. Ultraflame 01:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


Banned VS. Removed.

I honestly liked "banned" better, they weren't actually removed from ANYWHERE, these banned episodes can still being reached at YouTube, so banned would fit more. What do you guys think? TheBlazikenMaster 12:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I do agree that banned does sound better, as those episodes have always (at least since I've been in the online community) been referred to as banned. The only problem is that the article is actually called Removed Pokémon episodes, and the article is move protected. --PAK Man Talk 14:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Try WP:RM, I'd do it myself, but I got too much crap going on. TheBlazikenMaster 22:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please change the reference's URLs into links?

Resolved.

What I mean is linking a text. These urls are very long that they are giving the page unnecessary length, if you know what I mean. Well, what can we do? TheBlazikenMaster 19:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Look, I don't know what to call the links, but please change them for example, instead of this:

http://example.com

consider doing this:

[http://example.com Example]

Look, I'm going to a movie today, and will be watching movie for quite long. The movie is Good Luck Chuck, so I don't have much time today to think.

I will look into this tomorrow if nobody else will. But it won't be easy, this needs to be done because the URLs are lengthening the page. TheBlazikenMaster 14:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem resolved. I understand that nobody could do that. It wasn't an easy job, but with word, I spotted the URLs easily. TheBlazikenMaster 15:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Did 4kids buy the music rights also?

Currently 4kids does not buy the music rights of a series they have licensed. But did they with Pokemon? I know their style of handling Pokemon was very different from their current shows (not removing Japanese refs for instance). I dont see it mentioned in the article. THROUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED! 18:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

They must have in the beginning, at least; for at least the entire Indigo League arc, the music was completely untouched.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Please Eliminate this...

Ok, under "The Pokemon series" subsection, it says something along the lines of "However, due to Ash being on the show for much longer, continued emphasis on Ash in advertising (mostly seen outside of Japan), and May's departure at the end of the Advanced Generation series, many assume that this character holds a supporting role, such as the role that characters like Misty and Brock hold." and I just wanted to say that this thing should be eliminated because it is factually incorrect. I'll give my rationale as to why, even if it is to cite Bulbapedia.

Listen, if Brock, May, Max, Tracey, Dawn and even Misty are considered supporting cast Members, then explain why they are listed under protagonists under the likes of Ash, and not under the supporting cast section under the likes of Delia, Norman, Caroline, Johanna, Snap, Casey, Sakura, Flint, Lola, Brock's Siblings, Forrest, Daisy, Violet, Lily, Nando, Prof. Oak, Prof. Ivy, Prof. Elm, Prof. Birch, Prof. Rowan, Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny, Scott, Vivian, Lilian, Marian, Contesta, Sukizo, and many other characters under the Anime character list tab on Bulbapedia!

And Please don't give me the whole "Bulbapedia isn't a reliable source!" talk, since Bulbapedia is definitely a reliable source, In fact, it is even arguably more reliable than this site, besides, if you allowed something like The Internet Movie Database to be cited in certain movie's critical review sections despite being blacklisted as a unreliable source, you can most certainly allow something from bulbapedia to be sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.159.24 (talk) 10:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Bulbapedia is reliable. I will see what I can do. TheBlazikenMaster 14:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Source #15 seems questionable

All this source has is http:// nothing else. Can someone please look into this? TheBlazikenMaster 15:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong!

Hunter J is NOT a Team Galactic commander! Galactic Commander Saturn commissioned Jessie and James and Meowth to steal the Adamant Orb for Cyrus, but they did a lousy job. The Eterna City Jenny thought that J commissioned Jessie and James to steal the Orb, but Team Galactic did the commissioning. Besides, Hunter J isn't seen wearing a Team Galactic Uniform, and Team Rocket is still holding a grudge on Hunter J after J stole Pikachu and Meowth. I thought J was a Team Galactic member, but I guess I thought wrong after watching DP036.

User:Numbuh 355 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Numbuh 355 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

This section needs a cleanup.

Just look at it. It has many entries, too many to be honest. This article is about the Pokémon show in general. Those are recurring characters, and only those that make most appearances should be listed. Other notable recurring characters can go to the other article. Of course, since Pokémon has a real storyline, each and every character have different number of appearances depending on which season we are speaking of. But seriously, this needs cleanup. I can't watch the Sinnoh episodes, since no channel where I come from shows them, and the DVDs aren't available yet. That's why I need help from someone that can see them. And I know YouTube isn't a good idea either, as the episodes there don't last for very long. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 00:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The thing is that most of the reccuring characters were recurring characters for their given season. Gary was a big recurring character in the beginning, but his appearances have dropped to just the special appearance. People like Harley and Drew were around just for the GBA-game season. And people like Zoey are the recurring characters for Diamond and Pearl. People like Richie and Todd are definately in the show, and are seen/referened occassionally, but it's hard to judge if they're "recurring" or not. Regardless, I don't see much of a problem with the list, if anyone were to be taken out it would cut into the other past seasons. Though Johanna isn't enough of a recurring character to be called recurring, IMO.Toastypk (talk) 04:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we perhaps make the characters section look as good as the one in the Prison Break article? I know it's gonna be tough, but seventeen is just too much in my opinion. We even have a page with list of the Pokémon professors, so Oak is the only one that's needed on this page in my opinion. It needs cleaning, there is absolutely no need to mention every seventeen recurring characters on this page. Only the most important ones matter, that made most appearances. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 13:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ritchie and Todd have not been seen since mid-Johto; they're hardly recurring characters. Johanna has probably appeared more often than Ritchie. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)