Talk:Poison-ivy (plant)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contents 1 Poison Ivy Cure 2 Copyright Issues 3 More harm than good? 4 Hyphenated name 5 Roundup Poison-Ivy Specific Formula 6 Jewelweed is proven not to work 7 Page move 7.1 Poison-ivy is the correct term and Poison-ivy the plant is NOT the only use of the two words

[edit] Poison Ivy Cure

The best cure for poison ivy is before you have it is soap, if you already have had it a while, pour tomato juice on it. This will stop the spreading of poison ivy on your body. Taking a bath in hot water also helps. Poison ivy is also extrememly contagious.

The rash itself isn't contagious, though the oil from the plant is easily spread. Gyrofrog 06:44, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Issues

Large portions of this article were copied directly from the Dr. Greene website. There is no indication that this was done with any permission, under any kind of license, etc. Using Wikipedia:Copyrights as a guideline, I have removed the material. At the end of the article, I have added an external link to the Dr. Greene information. Gyrofrog 10:26, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] More harm than good?

I added a warning about applying chemicals (detergent, naptha soap, etc.) to one's own skin, and removed the information about acetone completely. (I know millions of people come into contact with acetone in the form of fingernail polish remover.) I'm certain there is a disclaimer somewhere on Wikipedia about not using the information as medical advice, but I'm not sure people should be encouraged to pour solvent on their rashes. Gyrofrog 21:23, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hyphenated name

See Talk:Toxicodendron#Hyphenation for my proposal to remove hyphenation. Elf | Talk 16:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Dang--can't currently delete Poison Ivy so that I can move this article there because "Can't delete this article because it contains new block-compressed revisions, which are not supported by the new selective undelete feature and could result in data loss if deletion and undeletion happened. This is a temporary situation which the developers are well aware of, and should be fixed within a month or two. Please mark the page for deletion, protect the page and wait for a software update to allow normal deletion." Because it's a redirect, I'm not going to add a deletion tag to it because it might mess up the redirect. I'll just have to remember to try again to move this later. Meanwhile, I'll edit pages that point here so they're all pointing to Poison Ivy so the future move will be the only thing left to do. Elf | Talk 02:01, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't the name of the article be "Poison ivy" anyway? The "i" in "ivy" would be capitalized if one were referring to the person named Poison Ivy. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:47, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I asked myself the same question and went poking around in other articles about plants. Most seem to use initial caps (e.g., Trees of Canada) so I figured that it ought to be the capitalized version. But I could be talked out of it--I just don't hang around in the plants area all that much except for brief forays to drop photos or do a little DABing or some such and I wasn't in the mood to try to find the recommended strategy in the Tree of Life project. I know--I'm lazy... Elf | Talk 06:00, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's hypenated to show clearly that it isn't a species of Hedera (Araliaceae), which is otherwise implied by the name 'ivy'. Compare e.g. Douglas-fir, Osage-orange, etc. - MPF 10:35, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

See response in Talk:Toxicodendron. Elf | Talk 15:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roundup Poison-Ivy Specific Formula

It is possible that Roundup (the grass killer formula) does not kill poison-ivy, but there is a poison-ivy specific herbicide available under the Roundup brand name.

[edit] Jewelweed is proven not to work

Needs to be updated with information that there is no scientific effect from using jewelweed. Once you get it, it's an allergic response and you just have to wait it out.

[edit] Page move

I propose that this page should be moved back to poison ivy. The poll is in Talk:Poison ivy, vote if you have an opinion of this. I have also gathered there is evidence that poison-ivy is a misspelling, and poison ivy is the correct form. –Hapsiainen 23:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

See below:

[edit] Poison-ivy is the correct term and Poison-ivy the plant is NOT the only use of the two words

See Talk:Toxicodendron#Hyphenation for a previous discussion on this on which it was decided to keep the hyphenation, as per common practice and standard in all botanical works.

Poison-ivy is the correct term for the plant and differentiates it from ivy - Poison-ivy is NOT a type of ivy. It's hypenated to show clearly that it isn't a species of Hedera (Araliaceae), which is otherwise implied by the name 'ivy'. Compare e.g. Douglas-fir, Osage-orange, etc. Non-botanical dictionaries are not arbiters on this subject and are pretty much irrelevant.

The plant poison-ivy is just one of many with the name, and a lot more people search for Poison Ivy, the female lead of The Cramps or Poison Ivy, the comic book/film/television character, than you might think. As per precedence with Violet I believe this should stay in it's current form... --Chaosfeary 00:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't divide the discusion to two places. And you had no reason to remove my comment. [1]. Also, the plant name issue isn't that simple. –Hapsiainen 01:08, 28 November 2005 (UTC)