Talk:Pointy-Haired Boss

[edit] -Section title: Other fictional characters with some PHB traits

• John Armstrong (The Armstrongs)
• Henry Blake (M*A*S*H)
• David Brent (The Office, BBC original)
• Julius C. Dithers (Blondie (comic strip))
• Jack Donaghy (30 Rock)
• Gordon Jump as Arthur 'Big Guy' Carlson (WKRP in Cincinnati)
• Bill Lumbergh (Office Space)
• Mr. Poe (A Series of Unfortunate Events)
• Alan Roy (Made in Canada)
• Michael Scott (The Office, NBC adaptation)
• Frank Waturi (Joe Versus the Volcano)

[edit] -History of article and questionable removal

After researching the history of this article and all relevant inclusions, the section approximately looked as above until it was removed on 2007-04-07 T06:01:58 by TKD for the reason "rm comparison list involving other unrelated characters; such analytical comparisons are original research unless sourced" While we may understand his sentiments, I respectfully contend it was overly strict adherence to a guideline. I further believe this resulted in a seemingly snap decision which was out of sync with the nature of this and other useful articles. In any case, such a section deletion should have gone through discussion and allowed other editors to weigh in.

[edit] -Proposed reinstatement

For that matter, I propose reinstating it. It was a long-running and helpful section in this article. By the same token, I think the floor should stay open for a little discussion, first. I personally do not believe the very minor "analytical comparisons" were over-reaching for the scope of wiki editors. Additionally, any sources to support the list (in whole or in part) would be appreciated. grubbmeister 21:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] -Discussion

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• A few points here: No original research isn't merely a guideline; it's a policy. Part of it states that original research includes the introduction of "an argument, without citing a reputable source for that argument, that purports to refute or support another idea, theory, argument, or position." Giving a list of PHBs, without citing a source that calls them such, advances an unsupported argument/position. Character trait analysis and comparisons are not exactly incontrovertible material. The fact that another article does something isn't necessarily reason to follow suit in other articles. Indeed, in addition to the policy against original researrch, there is a guideline that exhorts editors to avoid trivia, which these lists of comparisons tend to bem, especially without reliable sources and eithout further context. As far as prcedure, this article wasn't very heavily edited, so I was being WP:BOLD and tried to improve it. It really wasn't a source of ongoing controversy at the time, and there's no reason to discuss every single edit to articles that don't otherwise receive a lot of attention from editors. — TKD::Talk 07:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] -Voting

Indicate whether you support or oppose reinstating the section. Indicate *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with "~~~~".

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• Support - the section was relevant and helpful grubbmeister 21:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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• Oppose - Though I'm not sure why we even need this formalized template and such for a discussion that, for now, involves only the two of us. — TKD::Talk 07:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - While it may be worthwhile having a section that draws some comparisons with the Bill Lumbergh and Michael Scott characters (who are examples of the same office management phenomenon), the rest should go. But regardless of whether the section gets added, the list is useless and should be cut. - Kingnosis 16:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
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No longer relevant; article was moved in December 2005. æ² ✆ 2006‑12‑25t04:39z

The name should have a hyphen to be grammatically correct, but Pointy-Haired Boss has an edit history reflecting changing name of this article itself. æle ✆ 22:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

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• Support per nom. Goyston 20:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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