Talk:Podiatry
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[edit] Australia
A lot of the information under the Australian heading is not applicable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.236.162 (talk) 10:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Australian Orthopaedic Surgeons have eagerly embraced Australian Podiatric Technicians for their expertise in the care and palliative management of corns and callosities. Whilst Australian Orthopaedic Surgeons perform the bone surgery on the human foot, the Australian Podiatric Technicians perform fine palliative management of the human foot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aecyssian (talk • contribs) 03:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The Australian CHIROPODY MODEL of education is not conducive to the safe training & practice of BONE SURGERY. Beauticians perform ear piercings but CHIROPODY MODEL so called fake pseudo-podiatrists (Australian Chiropodists are not Physicians nor Surgeons) should not perform podiatric bone surgery.
Unfortunately the australian page continues to be edited by people unaware of the training system.... for example oz podiatrist complete a 4 yr undergrad degree... in america a 4yr post grad degree... this is not unlike medicine where in oz physicians complete a 6 yr undergraduate degree(they are awarded both the BS and BM but these are earned at the same time) and in the USA physicians complete a 6yr post grad degree...
Collective Response:
Unfortunately the Australian, New Zealand, and UK sections have absolutely no business, no place, and no relevance to being on the Podiatry Wikipedia page. It is well known in the North American academic community that Wikipedia apparently encourages and quite irresponsibly accommodates inaccurate information on many topics and disciplines. The Wikipedia Podiatry page is no exception.
The motive by those Podiatric Technicians who, despite possessing inadequate educational qualifications, continue to aggressively manipulate and misrepresent their qualifications as being the equivalent or near equivalent to a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine degree (D.P.M.) is transparently obvious. The UK, Australian, and New Zealand Foot Health Practitioners want the same Scope of Practice, without all the necessary education, in order to derive the maximum economic benefit from their salons and foot parlors. In summary, one has no business performing Foot & Ankle Surgery if they do not possess a MB BS, MD, DPM, or DO degree. Anything else by any other practitioner is unethical if not illegal.
- Provide proof of your accusations, please, and/or stop editing in this field entirely. Until proof comes up, I have reverted your change. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 06:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- As Jéské has said, please provide verifiable evidence from reliable sources to support your assertion. And please stop sockpuppeteering. AecisBrievenbus 12:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The main difference appears that USA podiatry/surgery training is continuous whilst australian training can occur in parts...
It appears that the following policy statement makes a deliberate distinction between the educational standard of USA D.P.M. degree holders and those Australian Podiatric diploma and degree holders:
http://www.asos.org.au/index.php?subdir=media_rel/2005/&filename=9dec05
This information is submitted in good faith. Kindly respect erudite initiatives. Any chance Jimbo Wales could organise a forum for this issue to be examined and analysed by credentialed experts for the benefit of the innocent public? This could be a giant leap forward for the overall mission and integrity of Wikipedia. Shameless self-promotion (misrepresentation) by an individual or organisation ought not be part of Wikipedia's de facto Contract with Society.
Links to websites either managed or owned by individuals who possess significant conflicts of interest needs to be curbed and monitored more frequently. Establishing what the truest credential is...is fundamental to well sourced topics. The foregoing has been most respectfully submitted; consistent with Wikipedia's Etiquette Policy. Respectfully yours and yours truly.
If your training is in "parts", then you are not "wholly" educated as an authentic Podiatric Physician & Surgeon.
[edit] Chiropody
Chiropody should have its own section, especially in historical context. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.98.154 (talk • contribs)
IT IS HEREBY THORUOGHLY AGREED UPON THAT CHIROPODY MUST HAVE IT'S OWN SECTION TO CATER TO THE THOUGHTS, WHIMS, AND OTHER EDUCATIONAL MISREPRESENTATIONS WHICH THE UK/COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES HAVE IMPOSED UPON THE PODIATRY PAGE. UK/COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES DO NOT SHARE THE SAME OR SIMILAR EDUCATION FOR PODIATRISTS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aecissyian (talk • contribs) 20:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Got Paragraphs?
This article is very difficult to read, it has almost no paragraphs, especially in the lower sections. 147.10.26.33 03:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Own page for chiropody
Podiatry & Chiropody are the same thing - the name of the page should though make this more clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yabasto (talk • contribs)
The two professions are vastly different in both education & scope of practice. The two different pages are necessary in order to create less public confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.89.25 (talk • contribs)
[edit] Foot/Ankle Orthopaedics
Oughtn't there be something about the distinctions between Foot and Ankle Surgery and Podiatry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.155.60 (talk • contribs)
- YES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.176.60 (talk • contribs)
- I agree also! 64.60.107.218 (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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A little personal observation...... When it comes to Foot and Ankle (or ANY) surgery, the degree doesn't matter. Theory is taught nearly identically, so as a rule of thumb .. experience is what counts - just check out how many years / how many victims the prospective surgeon has under his belt for your particular proposed-procedure. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.98.154 (talk) 03:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] DPM
I have removed this from the DPM article as obviously is belongs here (have left link though) - this article seems relatively developed so I will leave the copy here for you to decide if you want to use:
- Podiatry is a field of medicine that strives to improve the overall health and well-being of patients by focusing on preventing, diagnosing, and treating conditions associated with the foot and ankle. Doctors of Podiatric Medicine (DPMs) are physicians and surgeons who practice on the lower extremities, primarily on feet and ankles. The preparatory education of most DPMs includes four years of undergraduate work, followed by four years in an accredited podiatric medical school, followed by a hospital-based residency. DPMs are licensed in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico to diagnose and treat the foot and its related or governing structures by medical, surgical, or other means. The vast majority of states also include ankle care as part of the podiatric physician's scope of practice.
- In addition to private practice, podiatrists serve on the staffs of hospitals and long-term care facilities, on the faculties of schools of medicine, as commissioned officers in the Armed Forces and the US Public Health Service, in the Department of Veterans Affairs, and in municipal health departments. Many podiatrists today are also members of group medical practices.
- The skills of podiatric physicians are in increasing demand because disorders of the foot and ankle are among the most widespread and neglected health problems.
- Established in 1912, the American Podiatric Medical Association is the premier professional organization representing the nation's Doctors of Podiatric Medicine (podiatrists). The APMA represents a vast majority of the estimated 15,000 podiatrists in the country. Within APMA's umbrella of organizations are 53 component societies in states and other jurisdictions, as well as 22 affiliated and related societies. APMA's national headquarters is in Bethesda, Maryland. APMA has a staff of approximately 60 professionals who are dedicated to promoting foot and ankle health, to member service, and to professional excellence.
Thanks Lethaniol 15:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Very repetitive
This article contains a great deal of redundancy, facts stated over and over again, such as the number of years required to get a degree, the number of years of residency, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moisture (talk • contribs)
- It is so reduntant that podiatry and podiatrist are almost exact replicas of each other, which seems rather unnecessary. -- MacAddct1984 13:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Before skewering each other, it would be nice if the parties involved would correct such grammatically offensive bits as...
"The United States is one of the few countries, which grants more invasive surgical privileges to podiatric physicians"
and
"There is considerable variable between state laws regarding the prescribing rights of Australian Podiatrists."
Perhaps I'm wrong but these do not feel right.............. *and bad grammar is just fine on this talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.98.154 (talk) 03:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] UK foot practitioner
Dear Mr. Pingstone: It is assumed you are a well intentioned gentleman. Your credentials and expertise within the aerospace industry, however, do not translate immediately to the profession of podiatric medicine & surgery. Therefore, kindly refrain from editing things for which you lack complete knowledge & expertise.
Facts are facts. The UK foot practitioner does not receive nearly the same or similar education as a USA podiatric physician & surgeon. The public requires & deserves clarity; not confusion. These words are expressed with kind regards and are therefore, respectfully submitted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.89.25 (talk • contribs)
Seems like some users need to be blocked from editing, basically complete lies are being posted about Aus and UK trained podiatrist by people who obviously don't understand the training systems..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.169.146 (talk) 02:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] podiatrist too long?
anyone think the podiatrist section is too long winded??? maybe could be shorted ???
perhaps highlight 2 points of the definition
1.in usa all podiatrist perform surgery, in other countries podiatrist generally treat through not invasive means, with some performing surgery 2. usa podiatrist = physician, worldwide podiatrist = allied health
just an vry short idea of a proposed section??
[edit] Podiatrist
A podiatrist (podiatric physician), (pronounced /pəˈdaɪətrɪst/, "poh-DYE-eh-trist") or foot doctor is a podiatric professional, a person devoted to the study and medical treatment of disorders of the foot, ankle and lower extremity.
The term originated in North America but has now become the accepted term in the English speaking world for all practitioners of Podiatric Medicine.
Worldwide, the term Podiatrist refers to Allied Health professionals who specialize in the treatment of the lower extremity, particularily, the foot. Podiatrists in these countries are specialist in the diagnosis and treatment of foot pathology through not surgical means . In some circumstances these practioners will further specialise, and following further training, perform foot and anle surgery.
In contrast, American Podiatrists who hold a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine (D.P.M.), complete surgical residencies and thus all practioners are trained in surgical treatments of the foot and ankle.
Though the title "chiropodist" was previously used in the United States to designate what is now known as a "podiatrist," the title "chiropodist" is now considered to be an antiquated and etymologically incorrect term.
Although podiatrists worldwide do not attend traditional allopathic medical school, in many countries such as the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia they are granted privileges to perform surgical procedures of the foot and ankle.
[edit] Surgical Scope Comment
I question the validity of Podiatrists treating more than the foot. At most, possibly surgery of the ankle but at that point I would think an Orthopaedic Surgeon and particularly one with a foot & ankle fellowship should be sought. I would highly doubt that Podiatrists are performing knee or hip surgeries and if any of them are, I would find that hospital must be outrageously lenient in their hospital surgeon priveleging. Whomever typed that initial paragraph must be a proponent of podiatrists performing more procedures because "the ankle is connected to the foot, and the knee is connected to the ankle, and the hip is connected to the knee." Next we'll hear the heart pumps blood which goes to the foot. Hmmm. Maybe we should perform cardiothoracic surgery too. Most importantly is to go back to the training and see if there is formal teaching for an extended time on what specific body part. A podiatrist may work on the ankle while rotating through Orthopaedics but that still does not qualify a person to perform that surgery. Otherwise, all M.D. surgeons rotate through other surgical subspecialties during their intern year but I would not want an ENT performing an Acetabular reconstruction or an Orthopaedic Surgeon performing a radical neck dissection just because they may have happened to participate in one or two cases. 64.60.107.218 (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
