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[edit] Geographic scope

Podiatry regualtions differ from country to country. In Australia podiatry is a Graduate Degree, hence they, the majority are not doctors of medicine but health professionals specialising in the disorders of the human foot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.69.121 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 8 September 2003

The bulk of this topic is pertinent to Podiatric Medicine and Surgery as practiced in the United States. This includes certifying boards, educational standards, residency, and scope of practice. There are common areas with other nations, including Australia, but there are quite significant differences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PunkPod (talk • contribs) 00:57, 21 December 2004
I agree. We need to talk about practice of podiatry and podiatric medicine in different countries. I'm suggesting a subhead and will make the division shortly DrGnu 04:18, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Podiatry to Podiatrist

This page is about the training and practice, rather than the medical field itself. I moved it from Podiatry to Podiatrist and am starting a new page over at Podiatry. (See, for instance, Cardiology for what I'm working from.) grendel|khan 05:16, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

[edit] Chiropody translation

I added the actual translation of chiropody to the article. --68.57.201.204 16:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs to be rewritten to conform to a higher standard.

Came across this while researching medical specialties. I was shocked at how poorly it's written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.90 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 19 April 2006

I agree. Chiropody does not translate to "foot and ankle." Chiros means "to straighten, or bring true." Think of other uses, like chiropractor. --Legomancer 12:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Erm... Doesn't chiro mean hand? Beeromatic 13:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British model?

The "Canada" section says that the Canadian model is a hybrid of the American and British models, but we don't have a "United Kingdom" section of this article! --Delirium 03:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Courses vary from three to four years of full-time study.

UK/Australian podiatrists are able to practice abroad with their qualifications recognised in some Commonwealth countries. They are not permitted and, in fact, are ineligible to apply for licensure in the USA (unless they graduate from a USA Podiatric Medical School). This decison is strictly based upon a thorough review of UK/Commonwealth chiropodial/podiatric academic training. The scope of practice of the UK/Australian podiatrists includes a limited scope of foot care from including basic care, wound care but definitely does not AND SHOULD NOT include orthopaedic foot and ankle surgery. [ WHAT WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN? PODIATRISTS IN THE UK WHO HAVE COMPLETED A SURGICAL RESIDENCY ARE CONSIDERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH (THE GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITY) AS INDEPENDENT SURGICAL SPECIALISTS, AND MANY HAVE CONSULTANT POSTS IN MAJOR NHS HOSPITALS -- THIS OPINION/ARGUMENT IS OVER. LIVE WITH IT! ] Australian foot health care individuals do provide essential services within the communities they serve. Specialisation in fields such as care of children, sports medicine, diabetes and foot biomechanics have become established over the last decade and some organisations have been created to promote this.

Some orthopaedic surgeons and USA DPM's have commenced a due diligence inquiry into the notion of UK/Commonwealth so called "podiatrists" [ WITH RESPECT, THE TITLE IN THE UK IS "PODIATRIST", THERE IS NO "SO CALLED" ABOUT IT ]performing "surgery". Presently in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada (Ontario) there is no "Podiatry/Podiatrist" professional title academic training congruency with the USA's Doctor of Podiatric Medicine (DPM) Model of education. The case is well summarised by the obvious facts:

1) The average age for UK/Commonwealth individuals at the time of "earning" the title of "podiatrist" is circa 21 years old.

2) The average age for USA DPM individuals at the time of EARNING the title of podiatric physician is circa 26 years old. USA DPM podiatric surgeons then (after obtaining the DPM degree) receive additional years of fully transparent, accountable, and formally accredited hospital based surgical training.

These notable and obvious differences apparently remain yet unexplained by the UK/Australian "Podiatry" leadership, despite opportunities available (such as on this web page).

[ IT IS TRUE THAT PODIATRY TRAINING IS A GRADUATE PROGRAMME IN THE US AND AN UNDERGRADUATE PROGRAMME IN THE UK; BUT SO WHAT, THE ACTUAL TIME SPENT STUDYING PODIATRY IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME: 4 YEARS FOR A US DPM and 3-4 years for a UK BSC(HONS)PODIATRY; FOLLOWED BY A 3-YEAR SURGICAL RESIDENCY. FURTHEMORE, MANY UK PODIATRISTS ENTER PODIATRY SCHOOL WITH A FIRST DEGREE -- DOES THIS MAKE THEM BETTER PODIATRISTS? ]

The UK Department of Health (the governmental body) recognizes UK podiatrists who are Fellows of the College of Podiatric Surgery as independent surgical specialists of the foot. There are now many podiatric surgical centers in National Health Hospitals throughout the UK, and UK podiatrists working in them have Consultant status and full clinical autonomy. Just as the profession in the US developed from humble chiropody beginnings, the UK profession has advanced significantly during the last twenty years; and those who feel that bone surgery of the foot should be the sole domain of US DPMs and orthopedic surgeons must come to terms with reality. [Unfortunately, this level of arrogance jeopardises public safety.][ THIS IS A SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION. I CHALLENGE THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS STATEMENT TO BACK IT UP WITH JUST ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE. WHERE ARE ALL THESE PATIENTS DAMAGED BY UK PODIATRIC SURGEONS? IF YOU WISH, WE'LL DEBATE THIS ACCUSATION FROM THE POINT OF THE NUMBER OF LAW SUITES BROUGHT AGAINST US AND UK PODIATRISTS ] The comment that, due to their level of surgical training, UK podiatrists do not deserve the rights to perform bone surgery implies that patients are being placed at risk. [Indeed, patients are being placed at risk.][ SHOW US THE EVIDENCE ] [The fact is that UK podiatrists perform thousands and thousands of audited foot surgeries every year and this implication is unfounded. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “podiatry technician” in the UK; or anywhere else in the world as far as I am aware.


The previous contributor to this section has an accurate perspective on the current status of UK chiropodists; the length of training and their current status is quite undeserving of bone surgical privileges. All bone surgery in the UK should currently be exclusively practiced within the domain of highly trained Orthopaedic Surgeons. The suggestion that there is a move to call all Podiatrists who are not DPMs "Podiatry Technicians" is a good idea. The section on UK Podiatry appears to have been removed for good reason. In fairness, this section should be composed by Podiatric Physicians & Surgeons, namely DPM's. The Society of Chiropodists in the UK ought to make a contribution to the Chiropody page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranthony (talk • contribs) 06:51, 21 November 2006

AMEN. UK Chiropodists and USA Podiatrists do not share the same schools, curriculum and definitely not the same years & years of education. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.89.25 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 25 November 2006
The previous contributor to this section has an out-of-date perspective on the current status of UK podiatrists; the length of training and their current surgical status. The suggestion that there is a move to call all podiatrists who are not DPMs "Podiatry Technicians" is a complete falacy. The section on UK Podiatry appears to have been removed by the previous author following changes made by me. In fairness, this section should be composed by a UK podiatrist, not a US podiatrist with a poor opinion of his UK colleagues. I have asked the Society of Chiropodists and Podiatists in the UK to review this page and to make a contribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.89.25 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 13 December 2006

[edit] Copyright violation

Please do not copy and paste from other websites, as some of you have done from http://podiatry.curtin.edu.au/profess.html. See WP:C. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 05:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Podiatrist vs Chiropodist

This article mentions several times that the terms podiatrist and chiropodist are not the same but never says what the difference is. -- Steveholt 19:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Scholl section?

Should there be a section on Dr Scholl in this article? There is also information that is repeated several times--the whole article could use some cleaning up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveholt (talk • contribs) 19:57, 30 December 2006

Dr Scholl section not non-POV. "This ethos endures across the Scholl product range to the present day." --68.11.105.91 01:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

General cleanup is needed on this article. It needs to be wikified, it needs a more concise style, as well as sourcing for the data contained within. --Lendorien 16:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I put a cleanup tag on the page for other reasons, namely the grammar and style. You're reasons are correct as well. A major scourging is necessary. --Valley2city₪‽ 06:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I have readded the various tags for work which this article is in dire need of. --Lendorien 15:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is there so many problems with this site?

it gets changed so often?

Everytime i look someone has changed it, and its been made inaccurate... Amazing claims keep being made slandering the UK and AUS podiatrists... Seems silly... I dont really see how a 4 year degree in 1 country is better than a 4 year degree in another.(aus physicians complete an undergraduate degree but no one says they are underqualified).. or why 4 yrs + 3 residency in one country is somehow better than 4 yr degree + 2 yrs masters + 3 yrs surgical training in another? (only taking of podiatrists who perform surgey)`sorry but i really dont...

seems like this is really a fight over the title of "doctor" not really the training. common sense and awareness shows the training in the countries is very very similar....

This page needs to be fixed by someone who actually understands the UK/AUS Systems, the slandering stopped and then maybe locked so people can't change sections.. So many times ive seen complete lies listed...it just seems unprofesional and misinforms the public


[edit] Copy edit United States

Removed tangent material: Dentists and Optometrists likewise, have a separate educational school system and thus there are five medical professions that allow for independent diagnosis and medical and surgical treatment: M.D., D.P.M., D.O., DDS/[[DMD] and OD.

Might be useful later. Stevecalloway 18:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Podiatry == Podiatrist

Considering the two articles are almost exact replicas, I've requested a merge of the two, or perhaps just a deletion of one. -- MacAddct1984 13:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Merge! --RyanTMulligan 18:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Merged. --RyanTMulligan 19:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)