Talk:Pocket veto
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The Constitution is unclear as to whether an adjournment other than the adjournment sine die allows a pocket veto to take place, and this issue has never been decisively settled by the courts, since no President has been willing to risk an unfavorable ruling. 69.243.41.28 06:01, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pocket veto
I think the key thing to remember is that the pocket veto is not an act of the President but one of Congress. It is Congress that kills the bill by preventing its return:
- . . . unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Therefore, it is obvious that Congress cannot overrule a pocket veto, because it would be overruling itself. Rad Racer | Talk 22:15, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- I personally still find this another example of the rather bizzare nature of US politics. Why not just allow the President to veto or sign it, presumably both return it to Congress. But of course, the bill is in limbo until Congress is back in session and they can do whatever they do with signed and vetod bills. This effectively means all Congress bills have to be passed at least 10 days before an adjoiment and I guess would also mean if President or someone else were insane, they could blow up Congress which would presumable force an adjoinment and prevent an bills which have been sent to the President being passed (or vetod). I guess Congress could start from scratch when they are in session again and obviously who ever does the blowing up would be in deep shit but it would still kill any Congress passed bill requiring a complete restart Nil Einne 14:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
- Nil Einne, under the Constitution, once the President signs a bill, it becomes law. It cannot be returned to Congress. Bills are only returned to Congress when they are vetoed. The pocket veto is when a bill is not signed but cannot be returned to Congress due to the adjournment of Congress. If Congress were blown up, it would not be adjourned because it did not pass a motion for adjournment, so a pocket veto wouldn't work, as the bill would become law since 10 days passed without presidential action while Congress remained in session. Blowing up Congress would be effective for a regular veto because then Congress would not be able to vote to override. OCNative 09:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- I personally still find this another example of the rather bizzare nature of US politics. Why not just allow the President to veto or sign it, presumably both return it to Congress. But of course, the bill is in limbo until Congress is back in session and they can do whatever they do with signed and vetod bills. This effectively means all Congress bills have to be passed at least 10 days before an adjoiment and I guess would also mean if President or someone else were insane, they could blow up Congress which would presumable force an adjoinment and prevent an bills which have been sent to the President being passed (or vetod). I guess Congress could start from scratch when they are in session again and obviously who ever does the blowing up would be in deep shit but it would still kill any Congress passed bill requiring a complete restart Nil Einne 14:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] US centric
To help, I was able to find that the executive branch of government in Finland has the constitutional power for a pocket veto. --Kenneth M Burke 18:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
