Talk:Plymouth Argyle F.C.

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Plymouth Argyle F.C. was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: May 9, 2007
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[edit] Managing under Mccauley

I totally disagree with the comment that "Throughout the 1990s, under chairman Dan McCauley, Argyle had a string of managers. Peter Shilton, Neil Warnock and Mick Jones all managed the club, with mixed success." I remember this decade as being resolutely unsuccesful

[edit] Arrested player

anyone know who the player recently arrested for fighting was? the police only named him as 'a 24-year old' which narrows it down to Chadwick, Buzsaky and Djordjic

FYI it was Marcel Seip. Sjc 06:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which season

It is still the 2003/04 season. The club is still considered Division Two by The Football League until sometime in June see User:SimonMayer/Test/Plymouth Argyle F.C. for advanced preparation with 2004/05 updates.
SimonMayer 14:12, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

An absolutely fantastic page, a true model for how all football club pages should be. When I know more about editing, I intend to reform the Southampton F.C. page along similiar lines. Saint will 13:07, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts

Changed back to 21:30, 18 Oct 2004 to correct vandalism and other changes. Tynan is correct. Bornintheguz 20:39, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Current squad

Several of these are different to the official site. Anyone have a definitive list? Bornintheguz 13:57, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pilgrim Pete

The image of mascot Pilgrim Pete seems extremely grainy (probably due to high JPEG compression). Is there a chance anyone has a higher quality picture that could replace it? ---Benbread 18:12, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Given the general cheesiness of Pilgrim Pete and his antics, you could get David Bailey in to do the pic and it still wouldn't be anything other than a low quality image :) Sjc

[edit] Michael Foot?

I've read in several places that Foot was registered as a player (no. 90) for his 90th birthday in 2003 - presumably just for the one season. If that's true, I think it would certainly be worth a mention, as it raises him out of the ranks of the "ordinary" famous fans section. Loganberry (Talk) 00:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance info

Does anyone know why this was removed by 86.31.142.73 recently? Most club pages have details about players with the most appearances for the club. Mphacon 16:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Green Army

Player number 12 is Green Army. Can someone explain, please?Bill Tegner 22:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Green Army is number 12 because it gives the impression of a "twelfth man". See "that" speech by Delia Smith at "that" Norwich game for an example. Mageslayer99 19:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA Recommendations

[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 1, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The prose in this piece seemed to be written hastily... please take a good look at it so it flows encyclopedicly... I've made a few suggestions and comments below. Only 3 references for such a long article is unacceptable.
2. Factually accurate?: Seems fine to me.
3. Broad in coverage?: yes
4. Neutral point of view?: A couple of issues about fans which were not referenced... until so, they are pretty much NPOV.
5. Article stability? yes
6. Images?: yes

{{{closing comments}}}

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a Good article reassessment. Thank you for your work so far.— Jazznutuva 15:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC) }}

[edit] Additional Comments

  1. Needs a ton more references... and the 3 already inserted should be put in a better format. See WP:CITE.
  2. The introduction has some conjecture about the fans traveling which is not referenced in any way, thus being close to WP:NPOV.
  3. Prose is a bit hard to understand in parts, does not flow like an excyclopedia... for example "Plymouth Argyle Football Club (commonly known as the Pilgrims, the Greens, the Green Army or simply Argyle) are an English football team, playing in the Championship league."... the "Championship" league isn't correct... it should read "playing in the English Football League's Coca Cola Championship". There are other s not mentioned here that are rightish... but not factually sound.
  4. Written "In 1920 Argyle entered the Football League Third Division as a founder member."... what is a "founder member"?... Founding member.
  5. Club records section is in disarray... it all seems to run together. Possibly a list?
  6. Famous fans section is all conjecture... no reason for it in an encylopedia Jazznutuva 15:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Why have the external links been pared down to just three? People have commented on what a good resource this page is for PAFC and should be able to know about the wealth of additional internet sites available.

[edit] Club history

There is rather a large gap in the history section between 1927 and 1984, covering nearly half of the club's existence. Daemonic Kangaroo 12:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Holloway

I've edited the Manager sections as being 'vacant as of 21 November 2007' but the lines need tidying up. Sorry, dunno how. Plutonium27 (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

Much speculation and rumour surrounds the origin of the name Argyle. The most popular explanation is that they were named after the nearby Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, an army regiment with a strong football side of its own.

Could this be a hoax? It seems odd that the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders should be "nearby". Why were they stationed in Plymouth? BTLizard (talk) 10:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Confirmed Players That are Set to Leave at the end of the 2007/2008 season

This, to me, seems like a silly section. For a start, why would you need to say that a player on loan is going to return to their parent club? That should be taken as read. I changed the structure so that the squad list had a footnote to reflect that some contracted players are due to leave (see here) but this was just undone. I think that it's a more encyclopaedic and concise way of conveying the same information. On top of that, I properly referenced it. Dancarney (talk) 09:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)