Talk:Plutonian object
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[edit] Ceres
So what is Ceres? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.182.31.161 (talk • contribs) 02:56, August 16, 2006 (UTC)
- It's a planet, according to Bloomburg.com. It's large enough and orbits the sun. Plutons are all planets, so we're now up to 12 (add Ceres, Charon, and 2003 UB313) Benabik 08:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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- It can't be a pluton though, since Ceres has an orbit of 4.6 years: far less than the plutonic 200. I hope we'll get a more clear decision on its status soon.
- By the way, there are likely far more than 3 plutons. At best we can say there are 8 major planets, Ceres, and an unknown number of plutons with at least 3 recognized so far.... -- Jordi·✆ 10:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, in my sleep deprived state, I meant to say that Ceres is a normal planet and that that plus the plutons add 3 planets... And, sure there may eventually be more Plutons to add to the list, at the moment there are 3.
- ~~ Benabik 13:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Would Ceres not be a Terrestial, like Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, then you'd have the Jovians of Jupiter through Neptune (the Gas and Ice Giants) and then the Plutons? - User:Burwellian 14:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I never said Terrestial was a proposed category. I'm sure the spelling is wrong but the term is in use before this. - JVG 23:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] etymology
does the word come from the planet Pluto?--Sonjaaa 00:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- ...or maybe Mickey's dog: Pluto :-) Vsmith 02:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- According to the IAU, Pluto is the "prototype" and thus it makes sense that Plutons are named for the planet. Also, I think Pluton might be the Greek name for the planet but don't hold me to that one... - JVG 23:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bandwagonism
Wow - a proposal that isn't even to be voted on for a couple of weeks - and everybody jumps in to be a part of the action I guess. And no one seems to pay a bit of attention to the what links here thingy. Prior to today's blitz, essentially the only links were from geology articles being redirected to a sorta synonymous term Intrusive. It seems that not one of the bandwagoneers seemed to care or check and try to fix all those now erroneoulsy linked geology articles. Now, we have a not yet defined term replacing a geologic term with a history going back to the 1700s and still widely in use. Yes, I agree that someone should have written an article on the geologic pluton rather than just have a redir, and the stub on plutonism is rather a mess. I would propose that the current content go to an article entitled Pluton (astronomy) with this spot in wiki be either used for the historic pluton usage or turned into a disambiguation page. I am aware that all the astro types watching probably won't like the idea, but as it is a new use of the term and not even official or accepted yet, seems we should consider things a bit. At the least some of the more rational bandwagon crowd might think about the bad links the spurt of activity over the last few hours has produced. Cheers, Vsmith 02:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Pluton should be a disambiguation to Pluton (geology) and Pluton (astronomy).Derek Balsam 02:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and Pluton (missle). Derek Balsam 02:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Pluton now redirects to a disambiguation page for astronomy, geology, and missles. Good call.Derek Balsam 02:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and Pluton (missle). Derek Balsam 02:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Good. I've started adjusting the geology article links per your action. Thanks, Vsmith 03:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] In French
- This will be tough in French as French considers the planet Pluto as Pluton
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- It is a problem in EVERY Latin language: French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, it is a bad term... I already taked about that in Definition of planet.
- from the latin wikipedia they have:
- Plūtōnĭum (-ii, neut.; Palaeograece: Πλουτώνιον, locus Plutonius), vulgo pluton
so in Portuguese: Plutónico/Plutônico or Plutoniano given that Plutonio is already used by Plutonium.
I was to translate this article yesterday, but I couldnt, I'm waiting if some of the above languages start appearing to see what name they choose. Obviously none, cause everyone has the same problem. --Pedro 16:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- just saw this: fr:Roche_plutonique. Thus Plutonique in French, Plutónico in Portuguese. --Pedro 16:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Sounds like geologists would prefer that this would be called something other than pluton, say plutonic planet instead... like in the Romance languages.
- Yes -- studying magma intrusions on Charon would be confusing, what with the references to the plutons in the pluton.01:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] lame name
Pluton? This is ridiculous, for one 2003 UB313 is larger than pluto and pluton just sounds silly.
- you bet and a real issue to translate. I prefered Tartarus planet. Or another thing from Greek Underworld.
- What about Elysian planet? They can be a picture of heaven, all cold and frozen to perfection.
[edit] Merge
Seeing that the IAU committe have already backtracked on the term "pluton", and that there's no widespread support for any of the other proposed terms. This article should be merged into the article for the (already existing and widely used) term "ice dwarf". 195.137.85.173 18:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- I would say we can wait a couple of days more and see what the final descision. - TexasAndroid 18:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- It might be useful to retain this page (with an appropriate name) as a record of the discussions, proposals and vote on the status of Pluto. If a merge does take place, is it better to merge it into the Trans-Neptunian objects? -- MightyWarrior 11:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Lots of merges possible, hard to say where some of the redirs will end up pointing. I've done a little tidying, but when in doubt I recommend we wait until the dust clears a little more. Andrewa 16:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
