Talk:Plot of the Rue Saint-Nicaise

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[edit] Copyright

I've left a note on the talk page of the primary contributor to this article asking about his sources, etc., because it reads like a copy from a book or journal. If I don't have a satisfactory response within a few days, I will presume it to be a copyvio, and start the process to remove it as such. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Interesting Material Very badly written hence almost unreadable. Needs re-writing in plain words without all that unnecessary detail and split into sentences and paragraphs to separate the ideas and improve readability. <Personal attack removed. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 06:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)>

  • Clearly copied. The references are not complete. Presumably they refer to a list elsewhere in the book they came from.
    • IMO it is translated from one of old French articles. I posted and e-mailed requests for help, but no one respondedn so far. mikka (t) 23:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Is Named Wrongly ?. Is it about a plot involving an infernal machine or about infernal machines in general ? 22:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)~mikeL
    • Yes, it must be renamed, but I don't know the traditional English name of the plot, so I didn't rename it myself. Napoleon experts don't hurry, but I'd suggest not to rename it into something "reasonable", but rather find out the real terminology. mikka (t) 23:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

<Personal attack removed. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 06:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)> John Everest

<Personal attack removed. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 06:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)>

I cannot find the source of the copyvio on the internet and hence an reluctant to process it as such, even though I concur it reads as such. I think put it up for AfD as unsourced to resolve.--A Y Arktos 01:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I had prodded the article but user:mikkalai removed the tag without explanation at the time. On my talk page he has since explained :"You don't need "prod" tag to delete an article tagged for copyvio. Deletion of copyvios is done in a certain manner while processing the Wikipedia:Copyright problems log. mikka (t) 18:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)"
and further:"If you don't have proof that it is copyvio, all the more you have no right to "prod" it. This tag is for doubtless cases. I wrote to several persons in wikipedia to verify this article. Also, I wrote to two Napoleonic societies. One of them ignored me, another answered they don't know. Among wikipedia's policies is assume good faith. While the text does look as copied from elsewhere, we do have several wikipedians who write in a pretty scholastic way. Aslo, after careful reading I noticed that the text has several stylistic defects hardly possible in a published book, thus speaking in favor of the originality of the text. mikka (t) 19:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC) "
In the absence of concensus to delete and in the absence of a source from which copyright was vioated I am removing the copyvio tag and restoring the clean up tags--A Y Arktos 20:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

You still have the right to put it on AFD, my opinion is certainly not final, nor I am an expert in the field. mikka (t) 20:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

I've removed the wfy and cleanup tags. They can be readded when the copyright status is verified. Otherwise someone might come along, fix this article up only for it to be deleted. - FrancisTyers 15:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References

Chasing up those references... - FrancisTyers 21:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Castelot 1971 might be Napoleon : A Biography by Andre Castelot (1971)
  • Bainville 1933 might be Napoleon by Jaques Bainville (1933)
  • Cronin 1971 might be Napoleon by Vincent Cronin (1971)
  • Tulard 1987 might be Dictionnaire Napoléon. Ed. Jean Tulard (1987) (Paris: Fayard)
  • ROEDERER (Pierre-Louis), Autour de Bonaparte : journal du comte P.L. Roederer... Paris : Daragon, 1909
  • ROEDERER (Pierre-Louis), Œuvres publiées par son fils le baron A.-M. Roederer, Paris, 1853-1859, 8 vol.

[edit] Renamed

I have renamed the article to align with a reference at French Consulate#Government under the Consulate and Napoleon's consolidation of Power and also the article at French wikipedia. Comments above had also suggested renaming.--A Y Arktos 23:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)