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[edit] A bit late, but...

Welcome!

Hello, Plazak, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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ALSO, please remember to cite your sources. Thanks! Figma 20:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your interesting addtion to California Gold Rush

Since California Gold Rush is a Featured article, the expectation for edits in that article is pretty high. That is, substantive additions are generally expected to have a specific footnote describing a reliable source for the added text. Additions which are "unsourced" are subject to removal. Rather than simply reverting your recent addition to the Gold Rush article refering to the adoption of Mexican mining claim laws, it would be interesting if you would be kind enough to supply a reliable source for this information. If you are unaware how to add the source information to the article in a footnote, please just place the source information on my talk page. Thanks and welcome to Wikipedia! NorCalHistory 19:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A couple of things

One wikipedia convention followed by a number of editors (such as myself) is that we tend to check all edits one our WATCHLIST made by someone whose name appears in red. It's sort of a red flag as it were. If you add anything to your User:Page your name will thereafter appear in blue. Anyway, now on to your edits at W. S. Stratton. I'm a sculpture person and am wondering if the statue of Stratton on the Springs that you mention is actually the equestrian statue of William Jackson Palmer? If not, how about a picture of it? Anyway, nice to meet you. Carptrash 16:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well that is clearly NOT the staue that I was thinking of. Which is why my friends and family constantly warn me about thinking. "Don't do it!", they say. I've done a couple of statue sweeps of Colorado Springs and obviously missed this. I tried to find some information about it before contacting you, but was not able to do so. Anyway, your photo is a fine addition to the article. Einar aka Carptrash 03:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Check out my new theory in the article. It is the same statue. Carptrash 03:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to WikiProject Colorado!

Welcome, Plazak to WikiProject Colorado! We hope you can contribute to our ongoing effort to create, expand, organize, and improve Colorado-related articles to a feature-quality standard.

Some useful links:

What you can do:

  • Add {{Project Colorado}} to talk pages of all Colorado-related articles.
  • De-stub Colorado stubs.
— † Webdinger BLAH | SZ 18:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Mines

Hi Plazak. Thanks for your message. When I get the time I'll look at expanding the explanation so it is clear that not all of the lost mines were actually mined :) Robert Brockway 17:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calumet and Hecla

I was wondering if the section 'The end of copper mining' would be a good place to mention the take over of C&H land and the reopening of mines such as Centennial by Homestake Copper starting in the early 70's (I'd have to check my notes at home for the exact dates)? I plan on starting an article on Homestake copper anyway but since C&H's end coincides with Homestakes efforts in the UP, I wanted an opinion before I started any edits/articles, etc.

Thanks in Advance! Joe Djoeyd114 17:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Will do, I have allot of origional data about Homestake Copper, we cleaned out the Centennial Hoist house (we being myself and the contractor I worked for, I didn't want it to be viewed as theft). Ill take a look at the other articles. Cheers.

Joe Djoeyd114 19:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silver mining in Arizona

Thank you for creating Silver mining in Arizona. I think it is an excellent article, and was thinking of nominating the article to appear on the WP:DYK column of the Main Page. I was thinking of nominating the following exert: Did you know... that silver mining in Arizona has produced more than 44 million ounces of silver? What do you think? --Boricuaeddie 20:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I must nominate it in the following 5 days, preferably today (UTC) or tomorrow in order to be considered to appear on the Main Page. So, what do you think of the entry? Is it alright, or should I use another fact from the article. Oh, and don't worry about the article not being finished; only the entry appears on the main page. --Boricuaeddie 00:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Great! I'm working on it. --Boricuaeddie 14:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, Silver mining in Arizona, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on July 31 where you can improve it if you see fit. --Boricuaeddie 01:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your tireless help with mining-related articles, I award you the Tireless Contributor Barnstar. Happy editing! Boricuaeddie 02:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silver mining in Arizona

Updated DYK query On 7 August 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Silver mining in Arizona, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 16:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Wiki Project

I thought I would pass this along to you, I'm just trying to get word out to people interested in mining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Mining

Cheers Djoeyd114 18:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


I justed wanted some help here as I am a member of treasureadventures.net and I seem to be posting wrong on a page? I think i put it in the wrong place, I need to place it in external links correct?

thank you :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TreasureAdventures (talk • contribs) 04:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oil shale

Hi, Plazak. I wonder if you may be interested to help developing Oil shale and its spin-off articles. I listed Oil shale for the new peer review and related spin-off articles (Oil shale extraction, Oil shale geology, Oil shale industry, History of the oil shale industry, Oil shale reserves, Oil shale economics, and Environmental effects of oil shale industry) for the peer review. Your comments and edits will be most welcome. The intention is to have these articles ready for the GA and FA nominations.Beagel 18:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of coal mining and sub-surface mining

Hello! Beagel pointed me to where I can find you, as you are interested in articles regarding mining. I've started a discussion regarding the merger of sub-surface mining into coal mining - I'd appreciate your opinion. Cheers and thanks in advance! --Ouro (blah blah) 10:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nellie Bly

Hi Plazak,

While reading the article on Nellie Bly, I discovered that your source apparently incorrectly attributed the invention of the metal drum barrel to her. I was unable to find online the "Petroleum Age" article (I assume it's a magazine) you cite as a reference; however, it appears that the standard 55-gallon metal barrel was invented by Henry Wehrhahn (U.S. patent 808,327) and assigned (ownership transferred to) Elizabeth Cochrane Seaman (aka Nellie Bly). Presumably, Mr. Wehrhahn was an employee of the company and so was obligated to assign the patent rights to Iron Clad Manufacturing Corp., which at the time was owned by Mrs. Seaman. It is unclear as to why the rights were assigned to her personally rather than to the company, however.

Mrs. Seaman did have six patents which I found through Google's patent search, but none for a barrel of a design similar to the standard 55-gallon drum. Google's OCR software makes frequent errors when trying to scan poor-quality images of old patents, so it's difficult to be certain that patents aren't being missed when searching, but I tried multiple sets of search criteria (partial names, several possible sets of keywords describing the invention) to find anything similar which might have been by her, and none came up. (She was, however, the assignee of several more related patents. Again, she was not the inventor, just the owner of the business for which the inventors apparently worked.)

If the article you cited has further information which makes it certain that she was the inventor, rather than Mr. Wehrhahn (a specific patent number would be ideal), please let me know via my talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MJustice (talk • contribs) 02:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Update 11/19/2007 -- Thanks for your kind offer, Plazak, but there's no need to scan and forward the article. I'm going to have very little internet access or time for the next several months in any case. From your description, I think you're correct that Mrs. Seaman/Bly was being self-promoting by claiming inventorship. MJustice (I have no idea how to sign this, so I'll let SineBot take care of it :-). —Preceding unsigned comment added by MJustice (talk • contribs) 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Dog

Hi Plazak -

The original figure in the Intro section was a very incorrect "56 million tonnes of lead and zinc." which I deleted and you reinstated to the current and now correct "56 million tonnes of lead and zinc ore".

OK.

But the same statistic re-appears in the Reserves and Resources section, "Aqqaluk ore body with 55.7 Mt @ 16% zinc."

Hmmm, as written by me it isn't obviously crystal clear that the Aquqaluk ore body is the next planned expansion body, so your change is a good one.


Cheers, CGX —Preceding unsigned comment added by CGX (talk • contribs) 00:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] red dog is notable

Hi Plazak -

You have gotten exactly to the point.

The Red Dog Mine deserves an article. The Red Dog Mine Census-designated place does not.

The Red Dog Mine is notable. It deserves a Wikipedia article. It is the world's largest zinc mine. It produces over half of the mineral wealth currently produced in Alaska. It is the economic engine for a huge part of Alaska. The reserves and resources are so huge that it will operate beyond our lifetimes, probably beyond our children's lifetimes. Etc....

The Red Dog Mine Census-Designated Place (RDMCDP)is an artifact of the census. It is entirely trivial. It does not rate any mention anywhere in Wikipedia, except maybe in an article about statistics and data-gathering, and the difficulties therein.

There is no Red Dog mine community - in terms of a public town or settlement. There is just the mine. There was no one there before mineral exploration began. There is no one there now except mine workers, consultants, and specially-invited visitors. It is on 100% private land. The only people that are ever at the mine are mine workers, government inspectors, or other specifically-invited guests of the mine. It is 100% purely an industrial site. The airstrip is private and not open to any uninvited flights (except in emergency).

It is an Alaska-style industrial site, similar to the North Slope oil fields. It is in the Arctic in the middle of nowhere, workers are resident on site for weeks on end. So thats where the confusion comes in. I suppose that some workers listed Red Dog as their home and the US Census had to deal with it somehow.

There are human beings who live in the mine region - and they should be mentioned in the mine article - but the RDMCDP is a terrible and ridiculous construct to use in that discussion. Thats why I added the meaningful census data about the Northwest Arctic Bourough (which is outlined on the map).

Look at that census data for RDMCDP - it is loony! $0 median income and $34K per-capita income? $34K per-capita income and 37.9% of the population below the poverty line? Huh? Go to the census and look at the boundaries of the CDP - its just a big semi-random shape drawn around the general mine site and airport - some poor census employee must have been tasked with defining those limits and grabbed them from some permit application or who knows what.

Note to Nytend: look carefully - the census data for RDMCDP reports that NONE of the residents are younger than 18. And yes, you are correct, approximately 56% of the mines workforce is native. If you listen to the radio communications and hallway talk at the mine you will hear Eskimo spoken, as well as English.

Thanks for your help so far.

CGX CGX (talk) 00:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


This is probably a slightly different situation than with the Climax article. In the Red Dog case it is easier because there is no, and never has been, any Red Dog town. CGXCGX (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just cos

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[edit] Bay of Pigs Quibble

With respect to this, I checked the IP user edit out when I saw it happen and it does appear that David would be an acceptable first name for Eisenhower. I'm not going to argue David is better, I just wouldn't necessarily call the edit vandalism, the better rationale for reversion is to use the primary link rather than a redirect. I do realize I'm splitting hairs here :) Franamax (talk) 04:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uranium mining in New Mexico

Nicely written article, good job! Basketballoneten 20:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up of my recent Nevada ghost town pages

Just wanted to say thank you for all of your work. I am very new to this (as must be obvious), and I really appreciate all of your editorial corrections and clean up of the pages. Hopefully over time I will get better at doing this. Kind regards, feldgrau4445 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feldgrau4445 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Source material for Nevada ghost towns

Plazak- most of my material comes from Stanley Paher's seminal works on Nevada ghost towns: The Nevada Ghost Towns and Mining Camps Illustrated Atlas by Stan Paher; 1999 edition with 56 new maps; Nevada Publications, Volume 1: Northern Nevada: Reno, Austin, Ely and points north.104 pages, 295 Illustrations, 28maps 7 X 10; and Volume 2: Southern Nevada: Death Valley, Mojave . Desert, points south. 104 pages, 295 illustrations, 28 maps, 7 X 10. Additionally, I use sources from the web (many of which seem to be taken from his books), which I try to make sure I provide links to. I will endevour to try and include (and update when I can) any and all source materials for my entries.

Beyond that, I was blessed to have a grandfather who worked for the California Dept. of Parks and Recreation, who had an extensive collection of primary source materials that he had access to regarding mining camps in both California, and also in Nevada. I can't tell you how many countless days I spent with him and my father tromping around in "ghost towns" in the late 60's and early 70's, trying to keep an eye on the few crumbling remains scattered throughout California and Nevada. The Historic Preservation Act of 1966 was just coming into effect, and many of these places had already been well ravaged by artifact hunters, and just common, garden-variety vandals. Even after the Act was in effect, there was often little enforcement of it, and far too often the remains were torn down by those looking for coins and bottles. I draw on the many conversations he and my father had with me, and my own experiences taking my own family back to see what is left of 'what once was.'

My hope is to flesh out a few more of the towns shown on the list of Nevada ghost towns (and a few from California too, I hope), if my entries are deemed appropriate.

Again, I thank you for your time and efforts.

Regards, feldgrau4445 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feldgrau4445 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Highland and Highlands

Highland and Highlands are two different, but adjacent, neighborhoods in Denver. The former Town of Highland goes back to the early days of Denver and lies between the South Platte River and Federal Boulevard. The Highlands neighborhood was created by Scottish-American investors and lies between Federal Boulevard and Perry Street. The neighborhood between Perry Street and Sheridan Boulevard is commonly known as West Highlands. Highlands and West Highlands are often considered to be one neighborhood, however Highland and Highlands are two very distinct neighborhoods that are often confused because of the very similar names. I lived for many years in the West Highlands neighborhood. --Buaidh (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copper mining in Michigan

Hi, I did some fairly major rearranging and adding to the article Copper mining in Michigan. Since you've worked hard on that article, I was wondering if you'd care to take a look and see if my changes look good to you. -- dcclark (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Manitou Cliff Dwellings

Thank you for the heads-up. Yep, should be merged. I made some comments. Lance...LanceBarber (talk) 19:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delano, Nevada

Hi, and thanks for adding to the Delano, Nevada article I started. I'm just curious -- where did you find the info on the Delano post office? My usual source, postalhistory.com, doesn't list a P.O. for Delano, at all. Take care ... Pitamakan (talk) 22:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProj Colo

Thank you for the note on notable persons... many of cities have this problem, and that includes the tourism, events, popular culture,... never ending problem!

I did an update in Wikipedia: WikiProject Colorado's To-do list, today and over the past couple of months. Plz review the To-do list. Also updated many of the Project Divisions. Thanks.

Had a thought, how about having an informal meeting, in-person, somewhere in Denver, of as many of the WP Colo editors in the Participants list as we can get?? My email is accessable from the left-hand Toolbox. Have a few beers, and debrief our wiki frustrations. Maybe a more formal Colo Wiki Conference could precipitate out. Other states have get-togethers. Lance... LanceBarber (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Copper mining in the United States

Hola Miner! Found any good veins lately?

In the Copper mining in the United States article you say:

"Top copper producing states are (in order) Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, and Montana. (Mining review, Mining Engineering, May 2007, p.27.)"

According to:

http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/copper/mcs-2008-coppe.pdf

It says:

"The principal mining States, in descending order of production—Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, and Montana—accounted for 99% of domestic production; copper was also recovered at mines in two other States."

You might have to add Nevada to your list.

Also, when citing the same publication for the second and subsequent instances you can just do:

Author last name, p.XX.

You don't have to repeat everything.

If you cite the same author (s) for multiple publications you can include an abbreviated title.

Author last name, title. p.XX.

OK, dig deep! WikiDon (talk) 03:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalizing Mine

Well, the article was named "Mine", so it is Wikipedia's policy not have RE-DIRECTS. I was fixing the re-direct. You can move the page to lower case to follow your plan, but you need to work with a majority of the other collaborators to come to a consensus. Remember, this is not just a U.S. based encyclopedia, so you need to find out what is done in the other English speaking countries (mainly former British Empire nations: Canada, Australia, South Africa, etc.; all three big mining countries). As a band-aid in the mean time do the "pipe" "|" Bingham Canyon Mine|Bingham Canyon mine trick in your Wikilinki's. WikiDon (talk) 05:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of copper mines in the United States

Do we need REF's for these three sections?

  1. Other copper-producing mines
  2. Copper-mining projects not yet in production
  3. Inactive or defunct copper mines

WikiDon (talk) 23:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Colorado and WP Barnstar

The WikiProject Barnstar
To compliment Plazak's Tireless Contributor Barnstar in mining technology, I award you the WikiProject Barnstar for you outstanding Wikipedia:WikiProject Colorado support. Dedication to expanding Colorado articles and Colorado mining towns, and your anti-vandalism work on Colorado articles; you are worthy of this Barnstar. Most sterling! Thank you! LanceBarber (talk) 01:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Springs tourism

Thank you so much for your hard work on this! I do have one thing-I think the original Cliff House counts as a historic landmark, I was here before it burned. Since it did not burn to the ground and was restored to its original condition, I do not know whether it is still counted as historical, but there is some notability and it is not just another Doubletree or Ramada... Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manitou Cliff Dwellings

I merged the Museum into the main article and did a redirect. Plz review, thanks. Cheers. LanceBarber (talk) 04:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Portage Lift Bridge

You would be correct in your suspicions about my geographic origin. But it is important to Keweenaw County, Michigan as it is the only land based link. In that sense, it is the "gateway to the Keweenaw" and merits inclusion. I think it should be rewritten, and I nominate you to do it, since you obviously have local knowledge. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

[edit] Notable people from Providence, Rhode Island

Sorry about that... you're right, the proper thing to do would be to add a citation. But I assume that sooner or later someone will write an article for this person and that would be citation enough. Maybe I will take it upon myself to start an article for him. - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me remember to Be Bold, I went ahead and started an article for him. - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)