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[edit] title of page - opening sentence

Stop changing it! It is officially known as "Home" and it is marketted as Home, not "PlayStation Home". It is referred to by third parties as PlayStation Home as its more practical that way. Hence the opening sentence stating that fact!! Its listing on here is called PlayStation Home because the term "home" is more searched for as in a family house, then probably the Michael Buble's (and Westlife cover of) "Home" is probably also more searched for and so on. As its unreleased software it will be like that for a while. Its like, a while back if you searched for "virtual console" it would come up with a page about Linux. Now though the term is more searched for for the Wii service, and I therefore put a divert and move to the correct pages. However in this instance, the term Home will always be searched for as in a family house than this software. Continually and innaccurately changing this is edit warring. Chocobogamer (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It would appear that Home seems to be a more easily referenced title, not Playstation home. Concerning if it is European or North American, see http://www.us.playstation.com/Media/Trailer/15963/GDC_2007_PlayStation_Home and http://uk.playstation.com/games-media/games/detail/item73986/Home/. Either way, please stop reverting the page constantly, discuss it here. John.n-IRL 23:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
SCEA refers to the platform as "PlayStation Home" (http://www.us.playstation.com/News/PressReleases/403 <-- press release from E3 2007 about Sony's plans for the PSN. It mentions "PlayStation Home" nine times.) I hope that is enough proof for you of the validity of the term "PlayStation Home." Thingg⊕⊗ 23:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PlayStation Home/Home

The name is PlayStation Home, official or not it can't start with Home, as the Article title is PlayStation Home, and then "More known as Home" RkOrToN 23:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

what planet are you on? stating that uk.playstation.com isn't official? it doesn't matter what location it is, its still owned by SCE. you are totally wrong on this matter -i t is marketted as Home, it is advertised as Home, the preview pictures of the application is Home. :Wikipedia isn't always accurate, just because the page here is called PlayStation Home doesn't make it so in real life.
Of course it can start with Home. However I will make a change to stop this problem.
Also, I am not the one starting an edit war, you innaccurately changed the introduction. That needed correcting. You reverted a correct change and therefore started an edit war. Chocobogamer (talk) 23:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The article is named that for clarification, not its because its the official name. And articles follow common use, not branded names. However that does not change the name of the product. And concerning your comment about the validity of a SCEE ref over a SCEA ref, both are valid sources as both are divisions of Sony Computer Entertainment. On the particular topic of Home, it is possible that SCEE would be a better source, as it is apparently an SCEE developed product. ALSO, please, both cool down, its only a name. John.n-IRL 23:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou. As I said in the previous section, which seems to have been completely ignored, it is for named for said reasons. I have made an edit to say "PlayStation Home (marketted globally simply as Home)" Hope this stops the war as it is a more neutralised point. The reversion saying that its more practically known as Home is completely illogical if its called PlayStation home (which its not). Chocobogamer (talk) 00:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
On the contrary, both SCEE and SCEA refer to the platform as "PlayStation Home" This is the press release from E3 2007 about Sony's plans for the PSN. It mentions "PlayStation Home" nine times. I hope that is enough proof for you of the validity of the term "PlayStation Home." Thingg⊕⊗ 23:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Wheres the proof SCEE calls it PlayStation Home? Thats a US page and thats not proof SCEE market it as that. However on the official UK Home page, http://uk.playstation.com/games-media/games/detail/item73986/Home/ it doesn't say PlayStation Home here, but also notice it will be developed and published by SCEE, so if they call it Home, not PlayStation Home, thats what it will be marketted as. Also, note the US page on the announcement doesn't call it PlayStation Home either: http://www.us.playstation.com/News/PressReleases/382
Anyway, I have made a change to stop the arguing, so why are we still talking about it? Chocobogamer (talk) 00:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a difference between arguing about it and talking about it, talking is fine. :) I think we'll be able to find releases supporting both(still SCEA = PS Home, SCEE = Home in all iv seen after a quick look). John.n-IRL 00:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Although SCEE appears to call it "Home" almost exclusively, the newer information from SCEA calls it PlayStation Home. (I might add here that generally, the newest information is the information we give priority to) Thus, the opening statement is not accurate because it is not marketed globally as "Home". (The July, 2007, press release from SCEA proves this.) I think we should leave it the way it was before the edit war because it is known and marketed by both names. Thingg⊕⊗ 00:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

This press release is titled "PlayStation Home" and then refers to the platform as simply "Home". Based on the different names being used by Sony, I think we could have the article start something like this: "PlayStation Home, (also marketed as simply Home) is a..." Any objections? Thingg⊕⊗ 00:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thats almost the same as how I put it, so I'm for it, I think it will keep the peace. I think that unless the logo and title officially change, it definitely needs to still have a reference to being called simply Home. Look at the PSP, its called the PlayStation Portable but marketted as PSP. How many people call it by its full name and not its initials? Chocobogamer (talk) 00:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Just to make sure, you're ok with it being written the way I suggested? (don't want to ignite anarchy again ;) ) Thingg⊕⊗ 00:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Haha yup change away, as I said its almost the same as what I had it except not saying its marketted globally as Home. Chocobogamer (talk) 00:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Done. And thanks for not going nuts like I started to do... Thingg⊕⊗ 00:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that reads well and works with the refs(will add them now.) John.n-IRL 01:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Chocobogamer, assume good faint for god sakes, is that so hard? Thingg is actually making a good point, you just start waring over all of this, what planet are you on??! RkOrToN 01:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Am going to close this disscusion because, its settled. RkOrToN 01:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to confirm something mentioned earlier. Home is being developed by SCEE at their London Studio, they were also behind PS2 hardware like Eyetoy and Singstar. - X201 (talk) 22:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to start this up again but I don't see how there was any dispute in the first place. Sony's OFFICIAL website calls the service "Home". Other websites call it "PlayStation Home" because "Home" by it's self is ambiguous and may cause confusion. Other websites could call it PlayStation Fairyland, it wouldn't make it it's name. The line should be changed back to how it was before the edit war started: "Home (known more practically as "PlayStation Home")". And dispite what RkOrton may think, uk.playstation.com is no less official than us.playstation.com. ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 09:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG someone who agreed with me entirely exists! Its written now the way it is, despite the fact SCEE are developing it (making SCEE's page more reliable than SCEA), and the logo still saying home not PlayStation Home, SCEE's website hasn't been updated recently but SCEA's has and they were calling it PlayStation Home (that may be to do with them not developing it). The reason they changed it was because they were using the most recently updated page. Its best to leave it as it is for now. Wait until the next SCEE update Chocobogamer (talk) 10:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I think this discussion also applies to the article's title. If the first line is changed to "Home", the title should probably be changed as well. In line with other Wikipedia articles on ambiguously named products (for example Java (programming language)), it should probably be changed to something like "Home (PlayStation Network service)". ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 12:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PERIOD OF "EXSCLUSITIVATY"

ok now befor i start this off let me appoligize for typeos i'm not the best speller. but anyway, i am a ps3 owner (obious) and well i know a bit about sony and thier ways,

i can tell you right now they are working on HOME as we speek and well they are trying to fix the IXB or IMB server i dont really know what it's called but anyway they are fine tweeking this game to the masimum.

with that said while they get thier final bunch of tweaks and addons to HOME

they are gonna put PS3 users in a state of wonder witch is called a state of "EXCLUCITAVITY" witch is a fancy word for " we are not gonna give you a relase date, were not ready with it,,,,,, BUZZ OFF" so with my educated guess i could probbaly see SONY giveing out a release date sometime in MAY and HOME falling to you're consols in about anywear from the least june most id say would be DECEMBER but i put it falling aaround OCTOBER —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zdog513 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but I don't know what your point is? Do you mean "exclusivity"? Are you suggesting that Home will only be PS3 exclusive for a limited period? ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 10:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HOME pushed back till fall 2008

well home is delayed again. http://au.gamespot.com/news/6189663.html Msman (talk) 07:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seasons

I changed "Fall" to "Third or Fourth quarter" for a couple of reasons. It is a form accepted by all versions of English (US/GB/AUS/INT), a particular season can mean various different time periods depending where you are on the globe (including not having seasons in the form that other countries know them), but most of all it is a neutral term, it is only quoted in the citation because the citation is written in US English, If I add the citation from Reuters should I change "Fall" to "Autumn"? . The edit wasn't made to be awkward it was made to be a compromise that would avoid any ambiguity and to be region neutral text. - X201 (talk) 08:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I think either way there could be confusion. "Fall" is obviously used in the US (and probably elsewhere) but would be know as "Autumn" to me. It's irritating that SCE seems to use vague terms like "fall" all the time but since that's all we have and that's what was in the press release that's what should be used. "Fall" is vague enough as it is but don't you think "Third or Fourth quarter" sounds even more so and a bit clumsy? Sorry, I wasn't trying to be awkward either but in the absence of a decent timeframe, I thought the term used in the official announcement should be the one used in the article. ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 10:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] VG Cats Reference

Someone should add a reference section or something with a link to the VG Cats comic that pokes fun at Home by comparing it to Second Life. [[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArbiterX22 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't really see why. It's not notable. Many people have made fun of Home!!ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 07:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I see why. Lots of articles have a "Cultural References" section. Regardless of it being critical or good, it wouldn't hurt to refer to it in the article.(Myscrnnm (talk) 02:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC))
I dont mind either way, but isn't 'cultural references' a form of a trivia section, which is discouraged? Chocobogamer (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
It's not notable. Should every article list every joke that's been made about its subject? No. Just think how long the George Bush article would be. - X201 (talk) 07:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Thats why trivia sections are discouraged, length and point.Chocobogamer (talk) 07:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

Should the main logo be changed to the one used in the video here: http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=1109 . I would assume this is an official logo for the product and it would also help clarify the product's name as explained in the first sentence of the article. Can't seem to find a hi res version though. Don't really want to take a capture from the video. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 12:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

if we van get a decent one then defo, but don't remove the bit about it being referred/marketted as 'home' as it seems it still will be from what I've seen so far. Chocobogamer (talk) 12:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
put a screengrab cutout up, for now Chocobogamer (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I changed the logo back to the one used on http://homebetatrial.com as this is the only official logo I have ever seen used. (threespeech is semi-official) It has been used in all the press releases I have seen that have a picture describing home, all the trailers that have been released that I've seen, and it was used in the commercials that SCEA ran last holiday season in the United States. As far as I have been able to find out, there haven't been any new developments that make changing the logo a necessity. Thingg⊕⊗ 15:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
official logo http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/home/. I have uploaded this logo for the main page and replaced the other one. Chocobogamer (talk) 15:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted it back to the original that is commonly known as the HOME logo until we have confirmation otherwise. Chocobogamer, the one you added was just the header from the website and the text was not necessessarily part of the logo. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 16:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I was the one that uploaded it. I won't revert it coz I don't want an edit war, however I will point out that if it was a header, it wouldn't have the (r) in it. That is almost certainly the logo, especially considering other articles on the PS Japan page. Its up to you if you revert it but its certainly not just a header.Chocobogamer (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I don't want an edit war either. I could see this turning into one so I thought I'd just put back the original until we can agree. I believe the one you uploaded has an (R) in it because Sony put and (R) whereever the word PLAYSTATION is used. I may be wrong but it's probably best to leave the known one up there until we see it on a press release or something. Sorry about the mistaken identity on who uploaded it. I read the edit history wrong. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 16:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah actually, you're right bout the (R) thing. and I don't want a petty EW so I didn't touch it. I pointed out that it was me just so that there arent problems here. Not for credit lol. I'd say leave as is then. Although, knowing SCEE (who are making it) itl be about 6 months before an official video comes out! ha. Chocobogamer (talk) 16:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
lol - well that's just it. I thought the one I originally referenced on threespeach was an official video. And as it had the new logo in it I thought that must be the official logo. It might be the same case as the website though: it's just the video's title, not the logo. ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 16:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) The reason I said that is the "official" logo because this is the logo I have seen being used in all the advertisements. While the image that I reverted to is not the same as this, it is on what is currently the only Sony website that is only related to Home. (http://homebetatrial.com) Thingg⊕⊗ 16:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind which logo is used, I mean the house shape hasn't changed. And I believe almost 100%, that the logo I capped from the video to be genuine. It just baffles me that, even though SCEE has stuff about PlayStation Day on it, it doesn't have that video on there at all. And we all know for a fact that a video regarding Home was shown at the event. Chocobogamer (talk) 16:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, I think the one you posted from the video, which I later uploaded a higher-res version of, is the/a official logo but to avoid disputes we might aswell leave it as is for the time being. Home will be out some time within the next 10 years and then we'll know for certain. It really doesn't do any harm to leave the current one there as any confustion over the name is cleared-up in the first line anyway. Thoughts? ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 17:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Thoughts... 10 years is a bit optimistic lol! Duke Nukem Forever, anyone? GT4 Mobile? lol. Yeah, I think, until Sony finally get off their rears and upload a video on their site or their official blog that contains the logo, leave as is. We all know that could be forever, after all London Studio don't even have their own website! Chocobogamer (talk) 17:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)