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[edit] Plastic Surgery Discussion Forum Link

Dear Sir or Madam,

I recently tried to add a link to the plastic surgery site under Wikipedia. It was removed as it was interpreted as a spam link - which it is not, why I am writing this post. The site I wanted to add is a plastic surgery discussion forum. The site does not receive any form of funds from anyone and is completely impartial. It is basically a meeting place for people who are considering to have plastic surgery and people who want to share their experiences with plastic surgery. I think it could be relevant for people reading about plastic surgery to know that you have the possibility to talk about issues that might concern you prior to an operation and share your experiences.

I would be grateful if you could consider adding the site as link to the plastic surgery section under Wikipedia. Should you have any questions or require any further information please do not hesitate to say so.

The site is located at: http://lookyourbestuk.com/forum

Kind Regards,

Thomas Sylvest Thosylve 15:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Forums are not appropriate links for an encyclopedia. If patients want to know about plastic surgery forums, Google is their friend. JFW | T@lk 15:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Singling out the Dominican Republic

I know that in the past couple of years there's been much controversy about plastic surgery performed in the DR, but I mean, there's horror stories to be told about other third world countries. If we're gonna talk about the horrors of third world PS, why should we single out one country? Not to mention the fact that sometimes even worse things have ocurred in the US in regard to PS...

If this is notorious, yes. JFW | T@lk 23:58, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I thought it was kind of weird that it singles out the DR. If it is particularly notorious for blundered PS, then it should be mentioned. But other third world country's PS blunders should be mentioned too (or semi-3rd world countries, such as Mexico). — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:16, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
Can we strike it out? From my point of view surgery in the Plillipines and Thailand is associated with just as many problems. The other issue is that many nations regulate the training of cosmetic practitioners poorly and and untrained surgeon in LA or Melbourne, Australia -my home- is more dangerous than a well trained surgeon in DR. Will Blake 06:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Circumcision

I'm not aware that circumcision is a plastic surgery. I thought it's done for religious and health (however dubious the claims are) reasons?

It's not. I removed it. Thanks for the catch. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it plastic surgery in cases where it's done for aesthetic values, though? While many people might do it out of social pressure/custom/purported medical value, I'd think that there are some who do it it for that reason alone.

[edit] Merge

Please discuss the proposed merger here. Calicore 07:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Plastic surgery does not only refer to cosmetic surgery, but also to reconstructive surgery. The name plastic after all, came from the Greek plastos. Plastic surgeons commonly treat patients with burns, cancer, congenital deformitites and trauma victims.

[edit] Merge

I agree. Plastic surgery should not be merged with cosmesis as cosmetic surgery is just one part of the scope of plastics. It is a common misconception and many people overlook the value of other aspects of plastics.


[edit] No! Do NOT merge!

Concur with the arguments for NOT merging this article. Why should something so obvious merit any disscussion at all?

[edit] No Merge!

The terms are not synonymous. Cosmesis is a concern of any surgery, not only Cosmetic Surgery. Cosmetic Surgery is the portion of Plastic Surgery that concerns itself with the elective improvement of Cosmesis. DLaub 06:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

No - just another voice suggesting that a merge is a dumb idea

[edit] Cosmetic surgery section

I think that my version of the cosmetic surgery section (4/26/06) was more succinct and came a little closer to NPOV language than the version by 71.232.27.89 . Might I suggest it be reverted? DLaub 18:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The cosmetic surgery section has a terrible US bias. The issues related to the training of plastic surgeons versus untrained cosmetic practitioners are universal but the discussion here is solely US focussed. All this needs to be stripped out and replaced with the general principles like 1. educate the public 2. regulate credentialling 3. enforce disclosure of training etc. Will Blake 05:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Please help with this: "Within the US, critics of plastic surgery note that it is legal for any doctor, regardless of speciality, to perform "cosmetic surgery", but not "plastic surgery"." What exactly does this mean? That it is not legal for anyone in the US but a plastic surgeon to perform plastic surgery (eg reconstruction, or augmentation etc)? And how is a plastic surgeon defined? One board certified in plastic surgery? If that is the case as is implied here, then the statement is untrue. General surgeons can perform plastic surgery, wtihout board certification in plastic surgery. This needs clarification.MollyBloom 01:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


I have seen a growing number of references on cosmetic limb lengthening (also called distraction osteogenesis). In my opinion it should be mentioned in this artice. User:Napoleon 09:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.8.87.241 (talk)

[edit] Side effects?

Can anyone put the side effects or the risks after plastic sergery? thnakyous

Beyond what is mentioned in the article, no. It depends greatly on the extent and type of the surgery performed. Ask your doctor. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 ;_;

And then, again, your doctor may not tell you unless you ask. Each plastic surgery procedure has separate side effects and risks which should be mentioned along with the description of the procedure. For instance, not every breast augmentation patient knows that one breast enhancement operation will require another, or perhaps two, during the course of her life.Charles.Downey 17:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major rewrite needed

I've just taken a cleaver to some really bizarre voiced writing about this topic. There is still a good bit rubbish & editorial type of material that needs to be redone. I'll start contributing something more polished as time permits.Droliver 18:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, there sould be a separate section added concerning the all too common negative side effects of the surgery. Often, severe psychological trauma is suffered by recipients of CS, where the outcome is unsatisfactory, or ruinous. -86.42.185.60 13:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
That's not really Plastic Surgery itself per se. I think that is better addressed in articles on cosmetic surgery or some of the individual procedures. Also "severe psychological trauma" is kind of overstating things. It's usually the other way around when those things arise (psych. issues leading to surgery)Droliver 04:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] History

Can I axe the sentence "The first President of the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery was Irving B. Goldman, 1964."? I can't see that Goldman or the AAFPRS cut it with the rest of the names in the History section. Will TALK 13:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, go for it. It's not totally relevant here - Alison☺ 17:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Body Dysmorphic Disorder

I think an excellent addition would be the inclusion of a section about Body Dysmorphic disorder as this ties in very closely with plastic surgery and is one of the possible risk factors associated with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.26.239 (talk • contribs)

  • We already have a body dysmorphic disorder article but yes, maybe a short (neutral!) para with a "see also" link to the main article might be nice - Alison ☺ 23:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PLASTIC SURGERY IS AN EPIDEMIC (AND NOT A GOOD ONE)

There needs to be some discussion about how common and popular plastic surgery is becoming for purely superficial reasons and how this is impacting our society.

When the common idea is that you need to have a tummy tuck, an invasive surgical procedure, after a simple pregnancy instead of doing some good old fashioned sit-ups, then there is a problem.

When it's common for young girls to think that two pieces of silicone in their breasts is going to solve their self-confidence problems, we're being duped by advertising.

Why is cosmetic surgery more often sought by women than men? that needs to be discussed.

Of course it's fine to have plastic surgery in case of severe disfigurement, but there are perfectly normal people having plastic surgery and they think somehow it's a panacea for their problems and more often than not they are wrong. Often times after surgery people look worse, or they look fake. This article reads too much like an ADVERTISEMENT for plastic surgery. The negative side of this INDUSTRY needs to be discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.171.150 (talk) 12:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

If you can find some published secondary works that discuss these issues, by all means, add the information to the article or list them here for others to add. Without sources though, it's original research and verbotten. Natalie 12:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Hi all. This edit was made today to the "Related disciplines" paragraph, largely changing one somewhat POV piece to another. Can anyone comment as to the veracity of either statement there? As it's largely US-o-centric, it's outside my realm of experience - Alison ❤ 18:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LOL

Ha. I got a warning from wikipedia. :P

Bye bye plastic surgery page. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.29.175 (talk) 21:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cosmetic surgery industry and Plastic and Reconstructive surgery are not the same thing

"Cosmetic surgery" and the surgical specialty of "Plastic and Reconstructive surgery" are not the same thing. They should be separate articles. Please explain why the article on cosmetics is consistently being redirected to a different article about a related but separate topic (PRS). Jwri7474 (talk) 21:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Cosmetic surgery" and the surgical specialty of "Plastic and reconstructive surgery" are not exactly the same thing. They should be separate articles. The "cosmetic surgery" article on cosmetics is consistently being redirected to a different article about a related but separate topic (ie. the specialty of plastics).

Here are some examples of the current representative bodies for "cosmetic surgery":

http://www.americanboardcosmeticsurgery.org/fellowship_route.php training requirements for US board certification in cosmetic surgery]

Even without fellowship training in cosmetics, many specialties are actually required to teach and provide examinations in cosmetics as part of their standard residency training program (example Otolaryngology and Maxillofacial surgery Board certification exams have a substantial component devoted to cosmetics 15-30%)

There are many medical/surgical specialties that utilise cosmetic surgical techniques and procedures and are equally licensed to provide such procedures, not only the surgical specialty of "Plastic and reconstructive surgery". Redirecting the entire article to the Plastic surgery article suggests a certain POV that only Plastic surgeons can provide cosmetic procedures to the public and this is not true. Cosmetic surgery procedures are performed by many specialties (one of which being plastic surgery).. others being OMFS, ENT, Opth, General surg, Urology, etc. Thank you. Jwri7474 (talk) 09:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC) }}

They do appear to be the same in the standard mainstream view.[1] Vassyana (talk) 05:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

If you will scroll down and read the same reference you provided, you will noticed that there are sources from other specialties other than Plastic and Reconstructive surgery (ie. Derm, ENT, etc). I could just as easily provide websites referring to "Otolaryngology and Cosmetic surgery" or "Dermatology and Cosmetic surgery" or "Opthalmology and Cosmetic surgery". Also, considering the references I provided demonstrating the provision of many "cosmetic surgical procedures" by other medical and surgical specialties I would think this would be evidence enough that although Plastic surgeons do provide cosmetic surgery, they are not the only ones who provide this service and that the terms "plastic and cosmetic" although sometimes related are not synonomous. Jwri7474 (talk) 05:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Plastic surgeons specialize in plastic surgery. However, other doctors perform cosmetic surgery as well. There's no real contradiction or lack of clarity in that, and such "overlap" is not at all uncommon in modern medicine. An internal medicine specialist may still perform colon surgery (if a surgeon), even though they are not a proctologist. If the article fails to properly represent the breadth of plastic surgery's practice, by all means fix it. Vassyana (talk) 06:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The contention is not over the adequacy of the wiki article on Plastic surgery. This is fine. The problem is the repetitive deletion/redirection of the wiki article on "cosmetic surgery" to the plastic surgery article. If we agree that cosmetic surgery is performed by many medical/surgical specialists. The redirecting of the term "cosmetic surgery" to the wiki article "plastic surgery" infers that all cosmetic surgery is performed by only by plastic surgeons alone and this is not true and against wiki TOS relating to a plastic surgery weighted POV. I think it is worthwhile having a separate article on cosmetic surgery. Jwri7474 (talk) 07:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Jwri7474 seems to have demonstrated by the provision of names of prof. bodies that the lead statement, "plastic surgery is also sometimes incorrectly referred to as "cosmetic surgery", is factually wrong, POV, OR, unbalanced and unverifiable. In addition this claim exists only in the lead which is meant as an overview of the article not a place for unique information. I agree that Plastic surgery and Cosmetic surgery would be better off in separate articles. Hopefully the cosmetic surgery article will contain information on the economic size of this industry and also info on the complication rates and patient outcomes. In mean time, cosmetic surgery, wikilinked to its section. SmithBlue (talk) 11:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Jwri7474, are you saying there should be subarticles of plastic surgery for reconstructive surgery and cosmetic procedures? Or are you saying that they are distinct fields? Vassyana (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not promoting altering the current article plastic surgery in any way. There is already a separate article on Reconstructive surgery explaining that other specialties also provide these services in some capacity. I simply believe there should be a separate but similar article for cosmetic surgery. I don't believe the term "cosmetic surgery" should be automatically redirected to an article on plastic surgery. This is because 1. other specialties also provide these services other than "only" plastic surgeons, and 2. because although the terms are related.. they are not synonymous. Does that make sense? Thanks. Jwri7474 (talk) 22:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

reference to other specialties.

I reverted the removal of reference to other specialties also doing what is commonly thought of as plastic surgery. Judging from the above, I do no think there is consensus to remove them. DGG (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)