Talk:Planetarian: Chiisana Hoshi no Yume

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[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of July 16, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: I think that the character overviews should be removed/trimmed down, but otherwise this is OK.
2. Factually accurate?: There are a LOT of unsourced statements. 10 sources really isn't enough. Try to cite more quotes from the anime (like ref 8). A few random unsourced statements include: In the original version, Yumemi is only voiced during the beginning and ending scenes, while other characters are not voiced. When Planetarian was released for the PC playable as a CD-ROM, Yumemi had full voice acting.
While dodging detection from killer machines, the junker enters a building with a dome on the roof to search for usable supplies. Inside the dome, he meets Yumemi, who offers to show him a special commemorative projection especially reserved for the 2,500,000th customer, although he is in fact the 2,497,290th customer (Storyline section needs HEAVY referencing to prevent OR claims)
"Hoshi no Sekai ~Opening~" refers to the Japanese version of the hymn, named "Hoshinoyo", and "Itsukushimi Fukaki" is the Japanese translation of the hymn's original title.
I've added the article to Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Unreferenced GA task force/Nominations
3. Broad in coverage?: Y - Although you may not need that much on characters.
4. Neutral point of view?: Y
5. Article stability? Y
6. Images?: Y

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. — Giggy UCP 02:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

(For the record) I do not agree that the characters section needs to be trimmed down as there are only those four that really mean anything to the plot (there are some other characters, but they're too minor, and they weren't even given names). Other than our disagreement on the characters section, I agree with your review on point 2 for the most part, but the story cannot be referenced with the primary material since I've never seen anyone cite a computer game before. And lastly, there was never an anime adaptation.--十八 02:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA re-nomination

Third times the charm I always say.--十八 03:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Failed again. There are is a shortage of reliable sources. Some of the info appears to be personal observations from watching the program. There is a shortage of any sources. Some of the sources are blogs. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Might I add that only one of the fourteen sources comes from a blogger (which I just removed anyway for the sake of it), and as for "personal observations", I was not aware that character and plot summaries had to be cited now! If that were the case, then how do you explain featured articles going by without citing plot and character information: The Old Man and the Sea#Plot summary, The Country Wife#Plots, The Lord of the Rings#Synopsis? I'm sorry if I feel annoyed, but pointing out this "personal observations" retract it from becoming a GA is absolutely ridiculous in regards to plot and character summaries, and since those are the only places in this article were personal observatins of the work come from, then I have no other choice but to assume this is what you are implying the personal observations apply to. I just think the fail was much too quick this time, and the points of why it failed make no sense to me.--十八 11:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth nom

The last nomination was not only too quick to fail, but it was almost entirely unfair, as I have outlined above.--十八 01:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of July 19, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: one or two minor grammatical errors, but overall well written
2. Factually accurate?: not enough references; and the existing references need to be filled out as much as possible with work, date, author fields, etc according to the Cite Web format.
3. Broad in coverage?: yep.
4. Neutral point of view?: yep.
5. Article stability? no edit wars, etc.
6. Images?: all have fair use/ free license.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — David Fuchs (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

and in response to citing the video game itself: you can do it (see FA class articles Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 and their story sections). David Fuchs (talk) 16:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like to add that I believe nearly everything in this article that needed a reference has one, so saying that there aren't enough references isn't exactly fair when there isn't much left to reference. And also, most of the references don't need things like "date" or "author" fields, simply because they do not apply. And also, it might as well be impossible to get direct quote translations from the game since if one person were to do it, they'd have to find the same scene in the original Japanese text and the translated text from the English patch, but that can only be done after uninstalling the English patch so that the Japanese text would be visable, so doing that even once would be tiresome enough, since the English patch would have to be reinstalled again for the next translation, and not to mention that it'd be hard enough to find the specific scenes needed that you're trying to quote in the article in the first place.--十八 11:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll pass it, but note that the lack of references for character and story sections could be an issue at FAC. David Fuchs (talk) 18:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the promotion, though I doubt this article will ever make it to FA, though who knows?--十八 19:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Type of Planetarium Projector

I just finished this VN and I'm curious of what model is the projector, so I did a little research. The only information given in the game is that the projector was made by Carl Zeiss - Jena, which implies that it must be manufactured before the company split at the aftermath of WWII. You can also see what the projector look like.

Now, looking at this german site: http://www.planetariumsclub.de/content/category/7/32/46/ I assumes that it was a Zeiss Modell II, since appearantely model IV was produced after WWII. (I dont speak Grman, so I could be mistaken.) I googled some more and found this page: http://www.savethebuhl.org/jake.html which moreless convinces me of my findings.

If anyone can confirm it and add it to the article, I'd be grateful. 220.237.14.177 (talk) 14:11, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, that's interesting, but without the game explicitely saying which model it was, any research would be considered original and would not be able to be added to the article.--十八 22:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's alright. (I did say it's my research above, sorry for being unaware of original research criteria. If it's allowed to live on this talk page, curious individuals could get it.) On further research, it's not a model II actually.... the look on the lenses are different, there's electronic control, and the little balls near the axis doesn't exist on a Model II. Now that I look again, the 'Jena' in "Carl Zeiss - Jena" doesnt necessarily mean the original pre berlin wall company. It strongly resembles a Model IV but I wouldnt say anything further than that, since the designer could mix up projector design himself. The only thing confirmed would be that it IS a Zeiss planetarium projector. Sorry if this annoys anyone. 220.237.10.170 (talk) 11:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)