User talk:Pjrm

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[edit] curly quotes

As far as I can recall, I didn't change the types of quotation marks - not deliberately, anyway. Both the curly and straight that you talked about look the same on my computer. If they changed, it may be because ... well, I don't know why; some sort of browser issue perhaps? The edit you pointed to concerned the "electronic ink" part of the article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 17:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting: I wonder if the fact that they appear the same is related to how the change took place, i.e. I wonder if your web browser is silently changing the quotes. Perhaps something related to your locale and in particular what character set / character encoding it's using: perhaps your current character set doesn't have curly quotes (e.g. iso-latin-1 and I guess all iso-latin-N don't have them). The following three dash types should be in order of strictly increasing length: - – — (ASCII hyphen-minus, en dash, em dash); how do they show for you? (En/em dash are also characters that are present in utf-8, cp1251 and MacRoman but absent in iso-latin-1.) If the problem is persistent, you could try asking your operating system to use utf-8 as its character encoding (or any other utf-N / ucs-N / unicode encoding), which might be settable from the same place as one sets the locale, language, region, writing system etc. — Pjrm (talk) 10:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inkscape

Hi,

I got your message. I do not understand the vector program called Inkscape very well. My experience with it has been frustrating, in part because of the strange format of the help files. When I first uploaded svg files to Wikipedia Commons that were made with this software, they frequently were messed up in one way or another. I posted complaints to what I took to be the appropriate places on the Commons, but no attention was paid to them. I later learned that if I would save files in the old or default format the problems would, for the most part, disappear. I would of course get messages from Inkscape telling me that I was risking frustration since certain information could disappear from the files that were not saved in proper Inkscape format. But it appears to be just this information that should be missing if Wikipedia's servers are not to do funny things with the files.

I have some "professional" SVG software supplied by my university, but it has its own problems.

To my way of thinking, rather than expecting users to be able to edit the write-up language versions of these files or otherwise cope with the deficiencies or unexpected "features" of the program, it would be better to suggest to these users that they try the simple work-around of saving their work as vanilla SVG files to see if that will not clear up their problems. The object should not be to make everyone become a techie capable of dealing at a layer below the Wysiwyg display, but to make it as easy as possible for people to make technical illustrations, etc., that will get the point across simply and elegantly. P0M (talk) 02:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)