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[edit] Current Roster

This needs some work. Yahoo Sports! does not list Jonathan Elder as being on the Penguins' current roster, and why in the world is Marc-Andre Fleury not listed when he was thir starting goalie this season? Fleagle 21:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Shouldn't the current roster be on the 2007-2008 team page instead of the main page? Egogola (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The current roster is an integral part of the hockey team. It belongs in the main article, imo. The season pages show the historical rosters from each season. Resolute 20:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Captain Crosby?

The Penguins are reportedly, going to name Sidney Crosby captain tommorow (May 31). Be sure to wait 'til then before editing it to the article. GoodDay 22:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I've edited it to the post lockout section, as the coming appointment is confirmed at TSN (also added the TSN story external-link). GoodDay 23:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Crosby's not the all-time youngest captain. Brian Bellows served as the North Stars (interim) captain during later-half of 1983-84 season. Bellows was appointed at age 19yrs 4mths (5-months younger then, Crosby). GoodDay 22:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crosby Era

A while ago (Apr.2007) this article had a section called "The Sidney Crosby Era" underneath the "Mario Lemieux Era". It was removed for recentism and POV. Anyhoo, I just found this article full of Penguins quotes. Here's a sample:

  • "What Sidney means to this franchise... it's so much you really cannot put it into words," Penguins veteran winger Mark Recchi said. "He has picked up for Mario and become the face of this team."
  • Martin Brodeur-- "Pittsburgh has always been a great hockey town, but it fell upon hard times towards the end of Mario's era. The Penguins were kind of on life support. But since Sidney, they have come back to life."

It also credits Crosby with making the team popular enough to stay in the city.

Ooooh, here's lots of sources!

The article flowed very nicely with those titles. Maybe it's time to add them back in? ColtsScore 05:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Let's wait (say 5-yrs). He could get traded in '07-08, suffer a career ending injury, retire. Thing is, he's only entering his 3rd NHL (Penguins) season. It's too early to compare him to Mario Lemieux. GoodDay 22:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Mainstream media has been calling it the "Sidney Crosby era" since he was drafted (see sources above). He's widely recognized as the best player in the world. The franchise went from almost leaving town to being revived when Crosby joined the team. There's a definite demarcation between pre-Crosby and with-Crosby. Having a section marked with Crosby's name isn't a direct comparison with Lemieux, it's a reflection of a characteristic that is widely seen as shaping the team's public image and expectations. ColtsScore 23:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Can we please wait 5 years? One Art Ross trophy, missing the playoffs (2006), losing in the 1st round (2007) and no Division title doesen't warrant a 'Crosby' era in Pittsburgh. Let the man win a few more Art Ross trophies, or lead the Penguins to the Stanley Cup (before we declare an 'era'). Trust me, if you add a 'Crosby era' to the article now, it will only be removed (by other editors). GoodDay 20:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
PS- If you want to add the 'Crosby Era', go ahead. It's your choice. Weither it stays or not, is up to the community. GoodDay 20:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If Crosby gets an "era" for two good seasons and only one scoring title/MVP and one playoff appearance, shouldn't there be a Jagr Era? From 1998 through 2001, he was 4 for 4 on scoring titles, also won a Hart, and the Penguins made the playoffs each season and won four playoff series. That's three more Art Ross's and four more playoff series won than Crosby at the moment. In the '99 playoffs, Jagr almost single-handedly beat the #1 seeded Devils... seems a bit ridiculous to me to give an "era" to a guy that has yet to sniff the second round of the playoffs and not give one to Jagr. -Sam 87.65.39.133 09:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

You have a point there. Surely, Jagr's Penguins tenure needs an 'Era' discription as well. GoodDay 18:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I still think this page is sorely lacking in Jagr content. Five scoring titles and numerous playoff series won and there's nothing more than a sentence or two dedicated to him?? Yet Crosby gets an entire section based on a couple nice seasons and one scoring title? His accomplishments to date pale in comparison to Jagr's. I mean... wow... *FIVE* Art Ross Trophies! -Sam Samstein (talk) 06:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Article needs a jersey section, complete with photos and info. Also, the team mascot needs to be mentioned somewhere. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding NHL Experience Years

I'm not quite sure why the was deleted Mplonestartrack 18:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I wonder why the Minnesota North Stars are listed as "currently defunct" when in fact they were simply bought and moved to Dallas. Most sports teams have moved, but we don't call them "defunct" do we? Heck, how can we say that Modano has only played for one team if we are calling the North Stars and the Stars different teams? That doesn't make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.194.141 (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable reference for mascot being an Emperor Penguin

Hi, I am polishing up Emperor Penguin for FAC, and was wondering whether there was a refence somehwere which said the mascot was specifically an Emperor penguin rather than just a penguin. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi
on this page you can see :"Penguin Pete" the Penguins’ first mascot - an Ecuadorian-born bird on loan from the Pittsburgh Zoo - made his first appearance during the second intermission of a game against the Boston Bruins on October 19, 1968. It's also written in "Tales from the Pittsburgh Penguins" by Joe Starkey. --TaraO (talk) 20:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "History of the Pittsburgh Penguins"

There is a suggestion for the history section to be moved to its own article: History of the Pittsburgh Penguins. There doesn't appear to be a place designated to discuss the split proposal, but I would be willing to assist anyone who would like to write the article. It has gotten quite long. Thank you. Blackngold29 04:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Well this would be the place now. I don't really think there actually needs to be a discussion, as the hockey project has time and again said if the article for the main team is getting too big that sections should start to be cut out. The first thing we usually cut is scoring records etc, and then history (leaving behind a short summary). -Djsasso (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Been looking through the various NHL team articles and noticed that the formats of the pages have quite a variation. Is there a consensus at to which of the 32 teams has the best format for re-writing the pages?--69.14.183.129 (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Well technically Calgary Flames and New Jersey Devils are Featured articles so they are the shining example of what the articles should look like. That being said, this article is only around 50k in size. And ideal size for a page is betwen 30-50k of readable prose. So once you subtract the tables etc out of this page we are will within that size frame. So at the moment I don't think there is a pressing need to split off the history. That being said summarizing the history section into small summary style paragraphs and moving the meat of the history into another article isn't a bad thing either. I am just not sure that its a necessary one yet. -Djsasso (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm finished up with a lot of the bigger projects that I had planned to do (for now). If someone wants to help I wouldn't mind writing the official History of the Pittsburgh Penguins article. I'm gonna look at my library next time I go since books are always the best source and I don't have too many about the Pens. Because the article will probably take some pretty involved research and writing, I'm not so sure I want to attack it alone. Blackngold29 23:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I can provide some assistance -- I have a *huge* book on loan (for two weeks) about the NHL, teams, players, etc. I am busy with things at work and home right now, so I can't spearhead it, but I will be more than glad to do what I can. Just ask, or let me know where help is needed. Macduffman (talk) 17:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current Roster

I'm trying to remove the IR & the A (from Malone), but I can't access the section. What's up? GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL for once you aren't watching WT:HOCKEY like a hawk. We have moved roster tables to the templates. You are looking for Template:Pittsburgh Penguins Roster. -Djsasso (talk) 21:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I must be slipping (concerning WT.HOCKEY). GoodDay (talk) 22:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)