User talk:Piratedan

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[edit] You're welcome!

And thanks for joining Wikipedia! I'm glad you're here, it looks like you're getting the hang of things quickly. If you have any questions about anything, let me know! --AW 19:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Piracy project

Hi Pirate Dan, would you be interested in hosting the temporary piracy project page? I would do it, but it looks like you have a lot of ideas already. Basically it's just a task list, similar to what is already at Wikipedia:WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects#Piracy. This is a good example of what it'd look like: User:/WikiProject_Polynesia. I can help you make it if you'd like. --AW 20:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dan, thanks for creating it and everything! It looks great --AW 17:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Whydah / Whidah / Whidaw

Ha, no problem; thanks to your edit, I had a grand old time looking up name variants for this doomed vessel. ;) Pirates are not the best spellers, and even their chroniclers rarely agree. I count at least three different spellings in other sources, and expect more (don't even get me started on Blackbeard's ships). Best, -- Docether 20:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pirate round

it would help if you could find and quote some uses of the exact term. I'm familiar with what you describe, but I have never heard it called that. One or two quotes with detailed sources, including page numbers, are what you need. DGG 07:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Very well. I have now included direct quotes from David Cordingly and Jenifer G. Marx in the article. The Pirate Round is also referenced by name in Douglas Botting's The Pirates, but I don't have that book ready to hand, so I trust these two citations will be sufficient. Pirate Dan 05:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Avast!!!

Arrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh, pirate dan, I be sorry fer revertin' yer edit to the blackbeard article!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrh!!! Yon vandals put in something about blackbeard bein' a homosexual, arrhhhhhhhh!! I did not see that ye had done somethin' constructive to the article since then!! arrhhhhhh!! I be apologizin, now go swab the deck!! Arhhhh!! - Abscissa 09:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Piracy

Hello Pirate Dan,

I noticed you've recently started WikiProject Piracy and I was wondering if the project would be interesting in merging with the piracy related wikiproject I proposed in June 2006 ? Although there were less members, the project did have a reference list, templates and other projects which might be helpful to the project. MadMax 13:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Well the template I created was a crude design and, as far as I know, wasn't used on any articles so that shouldn't be a problem. If there's anything I can help with on the project, please feel free to let me know. MadMax 03:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Pirate Dan, I've merged the former project page into the official WikiProjoct Piracy main page as well as some minor editing and have notifed the former members of the old project. If you disagree with any of these changes, please feel free to revert to the old page. I've also converted the {{piracy}} template into an invitation for the project. MadMax 05:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Quelch

Hello Piratedan! Anyway, I recently created the article John Quelch (pirate) and was wondering if you would look over it for me. I would like to submit it for the Did you know part of the front page about his flag, Old Roger. I was also wondering if I should name all of his crew that was hanged along with him. I recently joined the Wikiproject and also found this book called The Pirates' Who's Who. The books out of copyright so you can find the eBook on Project Gutenberg. Gonna try and use it to fill in red links on the Piracy pages. Oh yeah, one more thing about the Quelch article. Can you give me your opinion if that's enough to be considered not a stub? Also, please respond on my talk page. Thanks! Deflagro 00:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Also can you tell me whether the category should be American pirates or English pirates since he was in Massachusetts when it was a British colony? Thanks Capp'n! Deflagro 00:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I decided to go ahead and add the list. If you could also go ahead and look it over that would be much appreciated! Deflagro 16:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for looking it over! So do you think I should submit the Do You Know part about how the theme was adopted by Blackbeard and Black Bart? Also thanks for the part about the Queen's evidence and the Silver Oar. The page I looked at had "Queen's evidence" but I didn't understand what that meant. Also can you explain to me a little more what it is and also what the Silver Oar is? Thanks! Also you might want to look at that book I mentioned. Lot of pirates in there. Realized it had so much of his crew because when I was searching for Quelch to jump back to the info about him, I found it so many times in it and saw it had most of his crew in there. Thanks Capp'n! Deflagro 19:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Scratch that last part about Did You Know. We have to have about 1,500 words and the article only has around 500... Deflagro 20:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Ahh. Also it wasn't the just the first admiralty case in America, it was the first outside of England. Thanks for your help! Deflagro 23:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] More on Quelch

Could you take another look at the Quelch entry and the edits that I made and were removed (rightly so) because of no citations? I am the author of "Quelch's Gold" and pretty much have the definitive account of Quelch and his case. I am grateful to Deflagro for starting the entry but his source (Pirate's Who's Who)is badly inaccurate on Quelch. Would appreciate some consensus from the team on this one. ThanksSilverhilt 08:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi PirateDan: Thanks for the response. If you read some of Paine's other work, you'll see he was quite given to poetic license and playing loose with facts for the sake of a good story. I am convinced he made up the flag because every pirate needs his own. You won't find a source for Paine's assertion other than him quoting the crew which is impossible. After all, Paine was not an historian but a storyteller who was pals with Stephen Crane. The first modern retelling of Quelch's story was by the eminent New England historian Abner Goodell in the 1890s who took great pains to go through all the original surviving colonial records in Boston. I've taken things further by going to London and digging there at the National Archives. Dow and Edmonds in the 1920s also did a good job in their chapter on Quelch in "Pirates of the New England Coast". You make a valid point about the "first case of judicial murder" line but the quote is actually Goodell's and not mine. I still support it though because as crazy as the Salem trials were, they were operating under Massachusetts colonial law based on Mosaic Law (Old Testament)and witchcraft was an offense punishable by death I believe. Quelch's trial under English Admiralty Law was a travesty because of the lack of due process and the numerous mistakes made during the proceedings. Neither the Governor nor any of the participants had ever run such a court before and admitted as such. Governor Dudley even apologised to his boss in London for any irregularities! Best of all--and this is the kicker--the Admiralty courts in the colonies were declared illegal the following year and a new law resurrecting them had to be passed by Parliament. Quelch's trial was therefore illegal at the time it was held. It really is a fascinating story which is why I wrote the book.Silverhilt 15:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lieutenant Quelch

Hi PirateDan: Plowman himself referred to Quelch as the Lieutenant in his letter to the owners concerning his worries about the quality of his crew. The trial transcript one year later also refers to the accused as "John Quelch, late of Boston...Mariner, Lieutenant of the Brigantine Charles" I, too, thought it strange that he would hold that title and I discuss this discrepancy in my book. Indeed I pointed out that Dampier referred to privateer vessels having the quartermaster as Number 2. Hope this clears things up.Silverhilt 20:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Old Roger

In reference to "Old Roger" I have never heard this expression in any context other than Ralph Paine. He probably just took it from the term Jolly Roger from Jolie Rouge.Silverhilt 19:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Bartholomew Roberts & other matters

That's interesting, that claim. That makes absolutely no sense at all though. Though I am not sure why you are telling me this! In other news, I emailed Silverhilt about using some of the images on his site, www.captain-quelch.com, particulary the images of the owner of Charles and also the brigantine that would've looked like Charles. I wasn't sure of the copyright so I emailed him first. ♣ Deflagro ♠ 12:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh by the way. Would you like for me to make that Pirate Ship infobox? ♣ Deflagro ♠ 12:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Ah. I haven't been editing Black Bart recently. I've turned my attention to the Pirates template in making sure all those articles have that template on it and use the Pirate infobox. Also right now I am working on cleaning up Buccaneer. If I even noticed the edit, I wouldn't have minded. I've never been in an edit war either (except once I was fighting a vandalising IP address who was deleting whole sections of the article which resulted in the IP quickly beeing banned). I usually don't revert other peoples edits unless they make claims that go against other sources and they then don't cite their sources. ♣ Deflagro ♠ 13:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have finished a beta version of the ship infobox. You can find it at my sandbox. You can test it out in my sandbox or in your own or some other place. The Statistics bar won't appear unless you have something in there (such as yes). If you want me to change that to always appear, I can. Also do you want it to be like the Ship infobox where it also displays the flag? ♣ Deflagro ♠ 15:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Piracy Portal

Hey been a while since I've seen you around here. In case you didn't hear, User:Mad Max (not User:MadMax) created Portal:Piracy. He's not too active so I have basically taken it over and am the only contributor. If you could help that'd be great! Deflagro Contribs/Talk 01:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Francis Drake: Letter of Marque

I noticed you changed the Piracy page to say that Francis Drake was not a privateer in the sense that he did not have a letter of marque. I reverted that and cited a source that talks about it. If you go to Google Books and look at Sir Francis Drake: The Queen's Pirate, on page 241 it says "Her [(Queen Elizabeth)] decisions were implemented on 1 July 1585 with an order renewing Drake's commision." It then goes on to talk about the Privy Council giving letter of marques to merchant ships. I just now saw though this note on page 453 the letter being called a carta de merced. Not sure if this is before or after it was renewed. To view these passages when looking at the book just search "letter of marque." Deflagro C/T 21:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Well doesn't being commissioned by the queen count as a privateer? The sentence afterwards is the Privy Council giving out letters. I can't see the pages before it though so a hard copy of it will help a lot. Deflagro C/T 21:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of pirates

Deflagro suggested I drop you a note, so here goes. We're working on an overhaul of the List of pirates article, and would welcome your input. What we've done so far can be seen on our sandboxes - My sandbox and Deflagro's sandbox.

Thanks, shas (talk) 20:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)