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[edit] Older discussion copied from Talk:African birdseye

NB: for reference and continuity, older discussion appearing at the talk page of the former title of this article, African birdseye, copied below.--cjllw ʘ TALK 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nando's

Did Nando's really popularise peri-peri, or was it already popular? I hadn't heard of Nando's until a few months ago but I'd heard of peri-peri long before. Marketing text, or is it actually the case that Nando's introduced and popularised peri-peri in some places? Nach0king 18:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Piri-Piri is not Malagueta. These are two different things! Piri-Piri is very small and hot, while Malagueta is larger, less hot. I'm a piri-piri fan and I even cultivate it. LOL. In Portugal piri-piri as always been popular, especially since the descolonization with a lot of people returning from Africa (never heard of Nando's - it seems an ad). Piri-piri is used in chicken grill in Portuguese cuisine, it was influenced by Mozambican one. In Angola another kind of chilli Pepper is more popular, the Jindungo. see pic of jindungo: Jindungo. So I don't think that Piri-Piri is used in Brazil at all (as the African culture in Brazil is linked with Angola), and most Brazilians that I know always confuse piri-piri with malagueta, because they never heard of piri-piri before, if in Angola piri-piri was more popular I would not doubt that. Citation needed for that section. BTW nice name it has in English, it is really an African devil. LOL.--Pedro 20:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • ooops... internationally...--Pedro 01:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Nando's is a trade name for a chain of restaurants that used to serve peri peri chicken in South Africa (possibly instead of curry chicken). I first came to know peri peri in Mozambique wher ein the local cafes one would see it as a liquid sause on the tables and used to spice up the food very much like salt and pepper. The liquid version is very hot and usually made with oil. There was also a dried powdered version which seemed not to be so hot. The Mozambiqueans told me that teh chillie came from Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe and was called Birds eye chillie, also Zimbabwean birds eye or african Birds eye and was orininally used for trade with the Portugese traders. It is also rumoured that the africans used to use it for trade with the Egyptians. (Mdek August 2006)

[edit] African birdseye & piri-piri

In this article, African birdseye is equal with piri-piri in Portuguese. However, in the taxonomy article of Capsicum, African birdseye belongs to the Capsicum frutescens species, while piri-piri belongs to Capsicum Pendulum species. Which one is the correct one? — Indon (reply) — 22:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chilli padi

Is this the same thing? If so, should we merge? Dwiki 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] African or S American?

Something I read in Nandos stores implies the "peri peri" originates from the east coast of Africa. Yet chili peppers aren't native to Africa - the chili pepper article says "Chili peppers and their various cultivars originate in the Americas."

I assume the Portuguese must have carried the pili pili to Africa from Brazil? --Chriswaterguy talk 05:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

it seems some peppers are indigenous to africa and others to the Americas. I am not sure about pili pili but Aframomum melegueta is west africanMuntuwandi 05:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


This article [[1]] says that the original pepper was Aframomum melegueta known as Melegueta or Piri-Piri (Swahili for Pepper Pepper) commonly used in Portugal as a spice - when the Portuguese got to Mexico they found Capsicum Frutescens and named it Melegueta or Piri-Piri as well and brought it back to Portugal and this is what is used in Piri-Piri sauce today .. to add to the confusion the main cultivar used is Capsicum Frutescens "African birdseye" even though it is a native of South America ... lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ 12:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. Also, I tried some googling, and by filtering out pages with the word "wikipedia" and restricting the search to pages in English, I got 77,100 for "piri piri" and 28,100 for "pili pili", so WP:COMMONNAME seems to indicate going with the former. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

If the proper Portuguese spelling is piri piri, and the article mostly refers to it as the piri piri, why is the article named pili pili? I tried finding out which name was most popular, but I think it being on wikipedia (and several copy sites) makes this test somewhat inaccurate. A googlefight of the two leaves piri piri as the clear victor/victrix.--Lionelbrits 16:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in support of the move

  • Support, reason given in the request--Lionelbrits 16:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in opposition to the move

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments

piri piri is fine, but it is not a clear victory, it seems they are almost used equally.Muntuwandi 17:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

See piri piri (230 000 hits) v.s. pili pili (133 000 hits)--Lionelbrits 02:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

peri peri 168,000. if its a runoff pili pili is still in. But I do not oppose a move, the other variants should of course be mentioned.Muntuwandi 03:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Peri Peri is the spelling I'm familiar with, but perhaps because I'm a nando's fan.--Lionelbrits 01:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

we can go with piri piri, but they are all the same. Its like to-ma-to and to-may-toMuntuwandi 01:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Cut and paste move from African birdseye to Pili pili repaired

I have fixed the cut and paste move made here back in Dec 06, when Pili pili was created as a cut'n'paste from African birdseye, which had a non-trivial edit history. The edit histories of these two pages are now merged at Pili pili ([2]).

Please note, cut'n'paste moves are generally undesirable since the edit history (a record needed to fulfill some GFDL licensing conditions) becomes lost and disassociated from the article.

It should now be possible (for an admin, at least) to simply move this article to whatever target is determined in the 'Requested move' discussion above, or even to move it back to the original at African birdseye, without losing the overall edit history. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 14:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)