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[edit] Misleading formulation about "private property"

"The agenda also includes support for a strengthening of the right to privacy (such as private property and private information), both on the Internet and in everyday life."

The Swedish Pirate Party has no views about private property (unless you count copyrights and patents as "immaterial property", and one major point that often comes up in debates about these issues is that that analogy is rather misleading--I think many Pirate Party sympathisers would rather talk about copyright and patents as "state-sponsored monopolies on information and knowledge" or something like that). /Martin Nilsson


[edit] The Pirate Party of the US

Shouldn't there be an article about the US party too? http://pirate-party.us/ Maybe at The Pirate Party of the United States of America ?

Why is it listed for deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.96.32.28 (talk • contribs)

Follow the link to the page about it and you'll find out. -- Elisson • Talk 15:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
The nomination was withdrawn due to a supermajority keep vote.DanielDemaret 09:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Correction. The nomination was withdrawn after one vote and one comment. The voting however proceeded because it was renominated. --Ezeu 18:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Privacy

What about the immaterial right to privacy?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.250.143.131 (talk • contribs)

Eh? That's not a judicial right (or does any country's law state that privacy is a human right?). And what is your question about, really? -- Elisson • Talk 11:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


A person's private information is simply digital data, and can be copied like every other form of digital information. So it doesn't make much sense to say that you can protect privacy but remove copyright. FRANSTER 23:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Private information is not copyrighted and many things doesn't make much sense. So it's no diffrence here. Thing doesnt have to make sense.
I find no contradiction in having different laws for different kind of inforamtion. Why would there be? All information although shares characteristics and features in that sense that it can be copied. Is still different kind of information. Or do you belive a song and a mathematical formula or your medical records shares the same classification of information? Clearly the human population do not as we have words describing different kind of information. 81.227.12.109 13:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

As the party hasn't announced any official English name just yet, let's keep the article here at Pirate Party until they have done so. Do not move this to the Swedish name. Follow the standards and keep the article name in English as the rest of the parties of Sweden. When the party has announced an official English name, feel free to move the article there. -- Elisson • Talk 20:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

The official name now has been announced, The Pirate Party, and as the standard seems to be to not include "The" in the article name of political parties, I guess the article should stay at this current title, Pirate Party. -- Elisson • Talk 16:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Factually incorrect concerning Trademarks

The party actually strives to strengthen trademarks, not abolish them.

"The Importance of Trademarks

Consumers have a rightful need to know what they buy and companies have a need to protect their trademarks in order to compete fairly. There is a strong public interest here that we wish to address. We aim to strenghten trademark protections between companies somewhat while allowing more lenience in situations like consumer critic and satire. This is designed as an incentive for corporations to take good care of their customers and trademarks as well as strenghtening the consumer's power." - The Pirate Party. Full Declaration of Principles https://www.piratpartiet.se/documents/Principles%202.0.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.115.251.100 (talk • contribs)

I wrote the article when the party didn't yet have any party programme, and the have changed their mind on a few points. Feel free to edit the article to correspond to the party programme. -- Elisson • Talk 16:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

User:Slipzen added The results of the poll were however most likley the result of pirate spamming actions and should not be considered to represent the opinions of the swedish people into the article; It's pure POV, so I removed the line.-- Roc VallèsTalk|Hist - 23:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. And even if it has to be said that the line he added probably reflects reality, there are no sources, and thus it is nothing more than pure POV. -- Elisson • Talk 23:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to make an empirical study proving the poor quality of anything Aftonbladet does, including their asinine polls so we can criticize them on Wikipedia :( Obli (Talk)? 23:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Haha! :D Very true, very true indeed. -- Elisson • Talk 23:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, that section might have been POV (though i have nothing against the Pirate Party) but that part of the article is really missleading without it. Almost every kind of major swedish media coverage on "piracy" is anounced on sites like www.piratbyran.org etc and its obvious that it´s making the results missleading. In a regular opinion-poll the results would have been much much lower and i really think that it in some way should be mentioned in the article. Slipzen 00:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sweden Sux

WTF, They even have a Donold Duck Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party TheMeager 01:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • And your point is...? – Elisson • Talk 10:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I hope you don't live in any country mentioned in List of frivolous political parties, then... -Obli (Talk)? 12:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • More feed for the troll. Poor fella probably suffers the misfortune of living in an inherently humourless country. --Ezeu 13:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Pirate Party is definitely not a joke political party. It's a serious party dealing with some of the most controversial issues in existance today. Read this text for a summary of their goals, or read the full Declaration of Principles. Wintran 13:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Mabey it's not a joke party, but I guess it would be considered a Troll Party. If they want people to take them more seriously, they probably should choose a more serious name. Do you expect people to take me seriously if I start a Gay Nigger party that advocate against racism and anti-gayism. Frokster 03:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Ehhh... So the name of a party decides if it should be considered a troll party (what the heck is that?) or not? People already take them seriously. – Elisson • Talk 11:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
No, they're not a troll organization either. If you find the name offensive, then that's all there is to it. I was also sceptical of the name at first, mostly the word "pirate". However, they choose the name to draw attention to them on purpose, like many other parties do. If you were able to read their open discussion forum (most of it in Swedish) you would see that they are serious and definitely not support trolling in any way. Wintran 12:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The Party web page does not really reflect the debate very well. If one has not seen the debate in Sweden one would hardly understand why the authors, inventors and artists that I have discussed this with support the party strongly, while the distributors and employees of very large corporations are against the party. DanielDemaret 06:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


Of course there are also artists, inventors and authors who are against the party. And large coporations who like the party.
Founders of pirate party such as pirate bay certainly does not support "balanced level of copyright" since they are advocating no copyright at all. I mean when you look at the contents on PirateBay, how much content are created by people who are aginst copyright? almost none. Does the pirate bay advocate software created the Free Software Foundation? Nope. 99% of the contents are created by the very same coporations this party is supposedly advocate against.
Frokster 03:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


The Pirate Bay had nothing whatsoever to do with the foundation of the party. – Elisson • Talk 11:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


I wish there was a party in my country like this.-anonymous

[edit] Swedish translators

Anyone know better ones? WP 08:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm sure Swedes on this discussion page are willing to help out when so is needed. —Bromskloss 16:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

systranbox will lock you out after a while. If that happens just delete their cookies and you can continue to use it.

[edit] Swedish Exports

According to Music of Sweden Sweden is the third largest exporter of music in the world. Perhaps this may help to explain why copyright is an important issue in sweden? DanielDemaret 18:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC) Third largest exporter in real terms, that is, on a population that a mere is 0.1 % of the world, not in relative terms.DanielDemaret 18:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Board members update

After some recent controversy, the board member Cecilia Beckrot has left the board. Should the name just be removed, or should a history of current and former / founding board members be kept?

Keeping history is always tidy. If it grows, it can be put in a subsection. DanielDemaret 13:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Piratgruppen

According to the artlicle priatgruppen is a Norwegian sister organisation of Piratbyrån, when i went to piratgruppen.org (is that the web page), the site was in Danish. Could someone verify wich nationality this oranisation has, and maybe add an extern link (since there are no wikipedia article on the subject)?

Sweden - http://piratbyran.org
Denmark - http://piratgruppen.org
Norway - http://piratgruppen.net
Martin Ulfvik 22:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Piratbyran.org is back up again, so edited the notice on it being shut down.

Thaum1el 14:51, 27 July 2006 (CET)

[edit] Renaming

There is now an US Pirate Party at http://www.pirate-party.us/, if the US party grows so that it deserves a wikipedia article then it might be worth renaming this article to Piratpartiet (the Pirate Party's swedish name). /Lokal Profil 12:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

There already is an article on the American party, Pirate Party of the United States, but it is up for deletion and it seems it will be deleted. Anyway, this is the English Wikipedia and that means that we shouldn't use the Swedish name whatever happens (unless that Swedish name becomes the most popular English name for the party), and instead disambiguate it like done with most other parties, for example Left Party (Sweden). – Elisson • Talk 12:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, didn't notice that the US party was already up. Lokal Profil 14:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ideology: populist

According to the article on [populism], this ideology is defined:

"Populism is a political philosophy or rhetorical style that holds that the common person's interests are oppressed or hindered by the elite in society, and that the instruments of the state need to be grasped from this self-serving elite and used for the benefit and advancement of the people as a whole. Hence a populist is one who is perceived to craft his or her rhetoric as appeals to the economic, social, and common sense concerns of average people. Most scholarship on populism since 1980 has discussed it as a rhetorical style that can be used to promote a variety of political ideologies. Leaders of populist movements in recent decades have been both on the Left and Right (Canovan, Kazin, Betz)."

What is the foundation for applying such a label on this party? It's a party that run few questions, but not one that adhere to that definition. I haven't found anything in their principles or elsewhere that indicate that they proclaim their fight against an oppressive or hindering elite in society. They oppose a monitoring society, yes, but does that make them populist? I would vote this tag to be taken out of the ideology fact sheet, on grounds that it has been put there, either for slander or because someone has confused populist with 'few questions'. Thaum1el 13:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's on the basis of them supporting the public, who recieve works of art, over the publisher, who currently "owns" the art. Seems simple enough to me. I didn't put the label there, but it sortof makes sense. Fieari 16:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
But the thing is that the Pirate Party doesn't promote the actual infringement of the copyright legislation, but a parliamental change of said legislature. That would mean that if the Social Democrats would want to change the legislation for, let us say rape, to one that happens to have some what much support from the population, or claim to be in public interest (name one law that is not promoted by claims of public interest) they would also be populist, same goes with the US Democrats or Republican parties if they run a policy that happens to have public support on say gun control. In that case, every party would be populist, since they claim public interest as a foundation for their policies. This doesn't say anything about the ideology at all. And it's not like copyright legislation is the only question they run. :)--Thaum1el 19:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
True. I'm not really all that knowledgable when it comes to political terminology anyway. The current "Ideology" is more specific and accurate anyway, so I don't forsee anyone changing it back to populist. Fieari 17:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Mission accomplished for me, then. --Thaum1el 19:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IDG

Question: In the "In the first week of media" section, there's no distinction between the two polls run by IDG. Both are simply called "an online poll", with verbiage that would suggest to me that the two polls were run by seperate organizations, except that both polls are attributed to the SAME organization. If they were both run by IDG, could words be given to distinguish between the polls? Also, references needed. Fieari 17:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I would want reference to both the IDG poll(s) and the Aftonbladet one. --Thaum1el 19:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pirate Parties Map

Norway allso have a pirate parti.

That Pirate Parties map needs to be updated, and please note that West and East Germany has been united for 16 years now. Actually, mavbe it's time for an entirely new article about the Pirate Parties International.

Sorry. So that's why Germany looks strange. Which parts need updating? WP 09:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
According to PP International Net, pirate parties are also starting up in Poland, the Netherlands, the UK, Australia and Canada. 217.209.43.196 15:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Also the Austrian party is already registered. Please update the map accordingly -213.33.64.140 07:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Done. WP 21:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

How is the SVG map updated? It's rather out of date in places... what tools would be used to update it? Falkvinge 08:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess you just download it, edit it with something like Inkscape, and upload the new version under the same name. Regards, /Fifo 18:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] upcoming election

Why is there no mention of the Pirate Party at Swedish general election, 2006? — Coelacan | talk 19:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

There's the part on their intention to run for the election in the first paragraph of the "History and founding" heading, other than that we'll just have to wait until the election is over :) -Obli (Talk)? 19:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
You misunderstand me. If they are in the election (I understand they are on the ballot, correct?) then shouldn't they be included on that page? — Coelacan | talk 04:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, they had just been "accidentally" dropped from the page. — Coelacan | talk 19:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Biased, Inappropriate Sentence

"The party does not have an agenda for any other subjects and therefore it is not possible to place the party anywhere on the left-right scale."

Nigga say what?

That's like saying that the Communist Party's only agenda is the abolition of property, so it is not possible to place the party anywhere on the left-right scale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.211.29 (talk • contribs)

Because the concept of reforming copyright legislation in the direction of relaxing it regarding personal use appeals both to the "left-liberal" and "right-liberal" on the traditional left-right political scale. Therefore it is pointless to try to use that scale for this party. -- TimSE 08:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
But "left-liberal" and "right-liberal" are both liberal. Name a conservative who supports this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.211.29 (talk • contribs)
[2] - look there. You're looking at it from a US perspective. There are two ways of being liberal. Economically, and socially. I'd say that this is more of a libertarian socialist leaning issue, as I doubt many right-wing libertarians would support making creations of individuals public property. It is not a victimless crime. Atleast, right-wing libertarians would generally agree with that. Joffeloff 23:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
In that case, I suggest a new article:
Thief Party, a political party whose sole platform is the abolition of property rights and decriminalization of theft. Property rights were created to encourage the creation and exchange of material goods, but the scale has now tipped dangerously away from this original purpose by granting sole "owners" monopoly control of property. Since the goal of the Thief Party is only to foster communal ownership of material goods in a property rights-free society, they cannot be placed anywhere on the left-right scale.74.128.211.29 15:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
You are misunderstanding. On the traditional left-right political scale you have both conservative and liberal entities on both ends of the scale. And to put things simple, there are among those both those who are in favour of relaxing copyright. E.g. libertarianism which ends up deep on the right-wing side can generally be considered to be in favour of this as it is a question of personal freedom and decriminalizing the so called victimless crimes under which this issue can arguably fall under. -- TimSE 17:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Let me put this another way. Does that sentence serve any purpose other than to promote the ideological goal of abolishing copyright? Would it make any difference if you deleted the sentence? If it's obvious, as you say, why include it at all?
As with most articles on Wikipedia, this article is maintained by ideologically motivated activists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.211.29 (talk • contribs)
For clarity: I dismissed your comment because "right-liberal" is code for leftwing.
The ideologically-motivated maintainers of this article have claimed that Swedes and Americans have totally different concepts of what "liberal" and "leftwing" mean. Well, since this article is being read by Americans, perhaps it is you who should internationalize your language.
I should also note that the Pirate Party is an international movement with many U.S. adherents, and it would be inexcusible to mislead those people into believing that this movement is not leftwing.74.128.211.29 15:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Copied from my talk page: – Elisson • Talk 10:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

So you're the joker who keeps reverting that Pirate Party article. You asked why I keep deleting the sentence? Obviously, for the reasons I have given on the article's talk page.
a) The Pirate Party's agenda is leftwing, and therefore can be place along the traditional left-right scale. Why is it that everyone but pirates, ideologically-motivated Wikipedia article maintainers, and possibly Swedes realizes this? You take a "party" that is judged by most people to be just left of the Communists and say that it cannot be placed along a left-right scale. It's unbelievable.
b) The sentence adds no value. If the Pirate Party has only four positions, say that it has only four positions. The encyclopedia is not an appropriate place for political rhetoric. Post facts only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.211.29 (talk • contribs)
I'll reply here as this is the proper place to discuss it.
a) The Pirate Party's agenda is not left wing. Nothing they have said or done indicates that. They want to gain 4 % of the votes, so they can hold the balance of power, cooperating with either social democrats or liberals/conservatives, whoever gives the best deal. Several of their demonstrations have been backed by both leftists and rightists. And I guess you're not from Sweden, saying that the party is judged by most people to be just left of the communists? Haha, you're just too funny! I, for example, would consider myself to be a liberal conservative, and would never ever vote communist, but I do think about voting for the Pirate Party. A few quotes from their site (sorry, source only available in Swedish [3]):
"Piratpartiet tar inte ställning höger/vänster-frågor" ("The Pirate Party does not take sides in right/left questions")
"Vi är beredda att stödja såväl en socialdemokratisk som en borgerlig regering." ("We are willing to support a social democratic as well as a liberal/conservative government.")
"[...]och påpeka att våra hjärtefrågor faktiskt på intet sätt går emot vare sig traditionell socialdemokratisk politik eller traditionell borgerlig politik." ("[...]and point out that our agenda in no way interferes with traditional social democratic or liberal/conservative politics.")
b) The fact is that they themselves point out that they cannot be placed on a left-right scale, and thus we should inform the reader that.
I will re-add the sentence and source it with the above link. – Elisson • Talk 10:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
While I mostly agree with the statement, I think the present wording can be improved. As the anonymous contributor demonstrates, you can place the party on the left-right scale; the placement just won't be accurate. Fredrik Johansson 10:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
How about "should not"? Since we finally have a reference we only need to settle on the best wording and then stop the edit war. (Anybody checked for WP:3RR?) Shinhan 10:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but here's a version that is at least factual: "Since it does not have an agenda on any other issues, the party claims it is not possible to place it anywhere on the left-right scale."74.128.211.29 12:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't matter that the Pirate Party itself makes this claim. Of course they make the claim. What politician doesn't claim to be moderate? What matters is that the claim is both baseless and biased. An encyclopedia article is not the appropriate place for parroting campaign slogans as fact. If you want to include the erroneous sentence, include it as a direct quotation from Pirate Party representatives.
Adding a link to an interview written in Swedish is not an improvement.
Honestly, I don't think Swedes are capabling of identifying the center of the left-right scale. You cite a quote that says they're willing to work with Democratic Socialists as well as "liberal/conservative politics" (note they did not say "conservative politics"). Why no mention of a conservative party? The only party I see listed on Wikipedia that could be deemed conservative is the Christian Democrats, and I'm willing to bet they are extremely leftwing by American standards. So perhaps a good way to rephrase the sentence in question would be: "Swedish political parties are so extremely leftwing that the Pirate Party, by comparison, is moderate." 74.128.211.29 12:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Fortunately, most of the world doesn't use American units of measurement. Fredrik Johansson 12:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
So you agree that, by "American units of measurement", the Pirate Party is leftwing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.211.29 (talk • contribs)
By American units of measurement, almost all parties in Europe are left wing... Thus the American way is not to be applied on for example Swedish parties. – Elisson • Talk 12:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Wrong. Europeans just need to admit that they are leftwing and quit playing semantics with the shifting sands of relativistic values. 74.128.211.29 12:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how a non-European view is relevant here, as the political environment of the party is Sweden, which is in Europe. The voters will not care a bit what the relativistic values of some anonymous American Wikipedia commenter are, but will consider the party according to their own standards. Simply marking all European parties as left-wing on Wikipedia will not further anyone's understanding of the relationships of the European parties either, though stating that all European parties seem left-wing to Americans might be a good idea for the benefit of American readers. Coffee2theorems 17:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Simple solutions do not always work. For the sake of argumentation, I could (and did) argue that an article written for an international audience must utilize international definitions of various terms. In practice, coloring all of Europe "pink" may not be the best solution. What that means, however, is not that my argument is wrong, but that practical solutions often must be more complex. You could, for example, elaborate on the national political scene and place a party on the left-right scale within that specific nation. Or, you could break the left-right scale down into social and economic spheres. Or, you could place a party along the liberal-conservative scale wherein those terms are defined by the relative advocacy for change involved. Or, you could place a party along the....And so on. Ideally, you would do all of those things. What you would not do--because it would be fundamentally incorrect to do so--is simply make a blanket statement that it is impossible to place the party along a left-right scale.
This statement, "stating that all European parties seem left-wing to Americans might be a good idea for the benefit of American readers," is biased and unhelpful. Swedish political parties not only seem left wing--they are leftwing. When you stand for leftwing values, you are a leftwing party. A more appropriate statement would be to say that they seem moderate to Swedes.
But I am not approaching this issue from a partisan viewpoint. I am simply stating facts as they exist. I am in turn being met with distortion of facts motivated by ideological bias. The ideal solution--if you wish to even address the left-right scale at all--is to approach it from all angles, detailing every complex nuance. Good luck writing a 50 page Wikipedia article.
The article is just fine as currently worded.74.128.211.29 16:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
No, I agree that the Christian Democrats are left-wing by American standards. Which says a lot. But that's irrelevant since the Pirate Party doesn't fit on the left-right scale. Fredrik Johansson 12:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a few days ago, someone linked the "political compass" in an effort to show me that the Pirate Party is neither leftwing nor rightwing. You are aware of the political compass, right?
The political compass gathers views from India, the United States, Soviet Russia, China, and so on. It takes views from all around the world and says, "These are leftwing. These are rightwing. Your views fall somewhere between these other people's views." It doesn't ask where you live before making that measurement.
If we were to construct a "metaphysical" political compass--an "ideal" political compass--how would it differ from that? Are you saying that Sweden should be at the center, America at the far-right? If that's what you're saying, I think this article needs a few additional sentences about your re-ordering of the political cosmos. 74.128.211.29 12:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
What you don't seem to understand is that because the Pirate Party does not take sides in any other questions than the ones they care about, it is impossible to say that they fit on the left-right scale, or on the political compass. Do you understand that? – Elisson • Talk 13:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I understand that perfectly, and I disagree. I'm saying that the two primary agendas of the Pirate Party are leftwing agendas. They are rooted in leftwing ideology. They serve leftwing goals. They do not serve any rightwing (i.e. free market capitalism) goals.
To give one painfully obvious example: When you talk patent reform without talking drug regulation reform, you are pursuing a leftwing agenda. You're saying that the benefits to drug companies must go down while the costs go up. The justification for this is a moral argument that "the people" should benefit from the work of producers, which is *the* leftwing argument.
Claiming that it is impossible to place cyber-socialism along a left-right scale is just absurd.74.128.211.29 15:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone clue me in....
  • How EXACTLY are GOLEM right?
  • How EXACTLY is privacy left?
GOLEM don't belong on any side, and privacy belongs to both sides, so you can pretty much take your pick anywhere on the left/right scale. --Marco 20:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
You might read this paragraph from the official website: "Pharmaceutical patents kill people in third world countries every day. They hamper possibly life saving research by forcing scientists to lock up their findings pending patent application, instead of sharing them with the rest of the scientific community. The latest example of this is the bird flu virus, where not even the threat of a global pandemic can make research institutions forgo their chance to make a killing on patents." How could anyone in his right mind read that and not realize that the Pirate Party is a leftwing political movement? It's a simple breakdown. If you believe that producers have a fundamental right to the ownership of their own product, you are rightwing. If you believe that producers must be forced by government to give away their product, or to allow their product to be stolen, you are leftwing.
As for the privacy agenda, I think that's a sham. I've never encountered a leftist who cares seriously about privacy. They're usually against government surveillance because they feel the government represents rightwing interests. ("Stick it to the Man! Down with Bush!" The 9/11 reference on the Pirate Party website is a big giveaway.) But they show no opposition to invasion of privacy ("transparency" as they call it) when Google archives all Usenet posts going back ten years and Wikipedia tags each comment with your IP. This leftist Internet generation is working hard to create a world with no privacy. Maybe the Pirate Party actually means what they say, but I am skeptical to say the least.
I've gone far enough, though. Unless someone wants to add a "criticisms" section, I don't think it's appropriate to debate the merits of the Party here. The sentence in question, as currently worded, is factual and non-biased, so I'm satisfied.74.128.211.29 01:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to bring it up again then. While it differs from the formal defination, here left is the socialistic side, and right is the capitalistic side(free market and stuff) side. It may be this scale they claim to be unplacable on, as privacy and monopolies don't fit on any side. Myself I would hovewer consider them to be right.
I have my own simple breakdown. Free market belongs on the right, while Social welfare and regulation belong on the left side. Can't fit privacy anywhere yet though.
--Marco 10:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Deleted off-topic thread.
Do you really want to go back and forth six more times? Just fucking let it go. This argument is off-topic and lame.74.128.211.29 15:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Dropping indents for readibility's sake.

You also have to consider that copyrights as they currently exist prevent people from doing what they want with their own property. Taking your physical property and modding it has been declared illegal. Space shifting has been made illegal. Research into your own possession is illegal. DRM makes it so that you no longer own anything, you're just renting it. That sounds like a state-run system to me, which the PP is trying to get rid of. That's anti-left.

You see? There are arguments that they belong on both sides of the scale. If you can say that the position they hold is on both sides of the issue, you can also state that you can't place them on either side, assuming sideism has an exclusivity property.

At the very least, saying that THEY say you can't place them on either side is indisputable fact. I happen to agree with their statement, but no one can dispute that they say it... Fieari 14:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The message of the sentence was fine, but it does need to be reworded. Mathiastck 14:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Please make clearer colors on the map. The blue and black color are hard to see difference.

I'll second that! --MarSch 08:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Done. - Ðra 10:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
When saying that the party faired considerably better on school ellections, maybe the data and source precisely how they faired on those ellections could be stated - also, what exactly are school ellections? Theres some custom of quasi-ellections held only among school populations in sweden? how come? could you please clarify? --195.29.116.165 08:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC) (user Aryah, just noticed I wasnt logged in)
This is the site for the school elections: http://www.skolval2006.nu/ 81.233.132.64 12:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disclosure: Falkvinge sometimes edits

Disclosure: I (user:Falkvinge) sometimes edit this article when I feel I have something factual to add. As I can be suspected of having an interest in introducing a bias into the article, please check that any edits I make are properly sourced and NPOV.

I edit Wikipedia just like anybody else and contribute where I have useful information to add, and naturally I know more than most about this subject, but as I can be suspected of wanting to introduce a bias, I'd appreciate if my edits are peer reviewed. I'm not aware of wanting to introduce a bias, but the possible suspicion is enough. -- Falkvinge 01:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relakks affiliation?

I heard somewhere that the Pirate Party is affiliated with Relakks. Is this true? --Explodicle 05:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. [4]. /Fifo 17:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Not directly affiliated. Pirate Party advertised Relakks for a share of the revenue but does not own nor started the service. Lord Metroid 08:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Article name/content

If the article is about all the pirate parties internationaly, then it should not be centered around the one in Sweden. Sfacets 04:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Belgium

The article states Belgium has got a Pirate Party. But, I live in Belgium, and I haven't seen anything of that party yet + I can't find any references on Google + The link on the bottom of the article redirects to a wrong site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neglacio (talk • contribs) 14:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

There was a Belgian party in 2006, or at least a website claiming to be such a party, but that website is now gone. Deleting from article.

[edit] More on agenda

Can somebody close to the matter please formulate more clearly what the party's agenda/ideology is? E.g.: What are the current goals regarding intellectual property - full abolishment or something else? Thanks! Enobeno (talk) 04:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pirate Party forming in Finland

The pirate party of Finland held its founding meeting on 24 May 2008. It is now collecting signatures required to register as a political party, so it should be marked as green on the map (pirate party in forming stage). piraattipuolue.fi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.103.33 (talk) 21:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)