Talk:Pioneer Day (Utah)

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[edit] Day of Deliverance merge

Pioneer Day it the common modern name for the holiday, where "Day of Deliverance" is an relativity obscure historical reference. --12.106.111.10 23:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I've never, ever heard Pioneer Day called "Day of Deliverance". Ever. Do you have any online refs that state this? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I haven't heard of it either, but it was just a stub article so I merged it in and made a redirect. We can deal with references now that it has been merged. Val42 03:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent move/redirect of this article

I see that User:Gregbard has moved this article to Pioneer Day (Utah), and has redirected Pioneer Day to the disambiguation page, Pioneer Days. The move was apparently made without consulting with other editors, and I have two concerns about the move.

  1. To me, the move appears to have been unnecessary. The other events listed on Pioneer Days are all called "Pioneer Days" (plural); this one appears to be the only one to use the singular form, "Pioneer Day." Thus, the need for disambiguation is unclear to me. The old version of an article had a disambiguation template at the top referencing the Ohio festival; this could have been changed to reference the disambiguation page listing all of the "Pioneer Days" events without requiring a rename/move.
  2. The move was done improperly as a cut-and-paste move. Wikipedia's guidance on moves at WP:MM or WP:Move clearly state that the cut and paste method should never be used for moves because the page loses its edit history. Therefore, if it is decided to retain this move, we will need to get an administrator to move the edit history to the new page (and also move this talk page to the new page).

I'd like to ask your opinions whether the move of the article to "Pioneer Day (Utah)" be retained, or should we revert back to showing the article as "Pioneer Day"? I favor reverting the location of the article to Pioneer Day. BRMo 02:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

  • The Utah Pioneer Day is not the only one to use the singular form. The link Pioneer Day (Chico, California) also directs to the Chico article. Pioneer Day is the first Saturday in May in Chico. The events leading up to it are called Pioneer Days. The article is still a stub, and does not reflect the whole story yet. As much as I would love for everyone around the world to see Chico's Pioneer Day as the one and only, or even the primary or prevailing celebration of its kind, it is not. Neither is the one in Utah. I was not aware of the method of moving pages, so I apologize for that lost connection to the history. I hope that can be resolved. Be well. Gregbard 03:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I merged the edit history of Pioneer Day and Pioneer Day (Utah). As a consequence Pioneer Day redirects here, now. Feel free to change that to whatever is best.
BTW, on using "day" and/or "days". The criteria should be correctness and ease of use for readers. I'd say most non-USA readers would not know of such subtelty in naming. I wouldn't... So I think the best may be to have a central disambiguation page - even better would be to expand it to a central article about the tradition nationwide, with links to specific day(s). Enjoy! - Nabla 19:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I boldly moved the disambiguation to Pioneer Day with Pioneer Days redirected to it. PS:If you agree otherwise and need a hand to move/rename some page please tell me at my talk page as I'll unwatch this one. - Nabla 23:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok - thanks, Gregbard, for the explanation, and thanks, Nabla, for fixing the history and talk page. BRMo 02:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)