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[edit] Broken Link

The following was placed in the article, so I have moved it here... "A short explanation of the origin of pink and other queer triangles ~ Broken link, goes to the page of someone names Jase. Please, someone more knowlagable then me fix this" Oscroft (talk) 10:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

Between 10,000 and 600,000 gay men and women

This range is rather wide. Is there no reasonably accurate figure? -- Evercat

Follow the link to Homosexuals in Nazi Germany for an explanation of this range. -- Kimiko 21:10 24 May 2003 (UTC)
Hi! I'm from Germany, and even happen to be gay. But what's more, I can say I know the most important literature regarding the topic. The number is quite unrealistic. Such numbers stem from the early 80's, when there was no research that had been done on homosexual men. But the picture of historians has changed a lot since. We now know very much about the extent of persecution. The number of gay camp prisoners wearing the pink triangle ranges between 5,000 and 15,000 (at most). 100,000 men have been implicated in legal proceedings, about 50,000 were convicted to serve a sentence in jail. And about 5,000 to 15,000 have been dragged into the concentration camps by the Gestapo (see also Paragraph 175). I will also provide some links in the next days. By the way, only very, very few lesbians were sent to concentration camps because of their identity as lesbians, and none could be imprisoned, because lesbianism was not punishable as such. Only fornication between men was. -lysis 2:21 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • "However, a commonly accepted rough estimate of the prisoners who wore the pink triangle is 5,000 to 15,000. For non-Jews, they certainly had a death toll above average. The reason for this might be that they were often alone and sometimes avoided and singled out at a distance because they had been branded as gay (even though gay sex was prevalent in the strictly gender-separated Nazi camps.)"

I removed the above paragraph as a source absolutely needs to be given. Giving a number, high or low, without a source is POV. Even if the numbers are added in good faith, they are used to push POV. Also, I'd want a source saying any kind of sex was common in Nazi concentration camps. Hyacinth 13:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent changes

The recent changes stem from me. The English Wikipedia doesn't recognise users form Wikipedia Germany. I hope there are no linguistic mistakes, 'cause I'm not a native speaker. -- Lysis 4:08 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

'... even though gay sex was prevalent in the strictly gender-separated Nazi camps.' Does anyone have a source for this? - Wgsimon 03:56, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This article cites several sources, which is good. However, not a single fact or figure in the article is attributed to any of the sources. It would be much better if we could match up a source to some of the statements. Does anyone have access to any of these sources (or others) so that we can add some foot-notes to some of the statements in the article? Johntex\talk 01:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Citation means the attribution of actual, not the listing of potential, sources, but you are correct, this article should cite sources. Hyacinth 13:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

There should be at least a blurb about criticism. None of my friends like this symbol, as it is was the Nazis made us wear. It would be as if I, as a Jew, decided to wear a yellow armband with a Star of David as a symbol of Jewish Pride. Most gay prefer the rainbow flag as something chosen by themselves rather than something the Nazis made us wear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.127.191.14 (talk) 00:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)