Talk:Pine Marten

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[edit] Image is which species?

The image used, Image:Pinemarten.jpg is from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. The image library record is here: [1]. Isn't it more likely that this is a photo of an American Marten and not a European Pine Marten? Note that the term "pine marten" is also used in North America for martes americana and is likely the source of this confusion. Thoughts? --ChrisRuvolo 02:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The image's description contained "Martes martes", not "Martes americana", so I assumed it was the European Pine Marten. But now that I looked at the image again at the FWS website, the description links lead to websites of American Pine Martens. Hmn. Just going by the photo it looks more like a European marten to me, but they're similar species, but I can't be certain about that. Assuming that it's the American variety since its from the FWS isn't a surefire way to figure it out, though. They have photos for servals and zebras too, and those certainly aren't North American. I'll wait and see if anyone has anything to add. If not, I'll take it down to be on the safe side. --CairoCai 16:27, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good points. I just tried to check out the original photographers: Bauer, Erwin and Peggy. They have done several North American wildlife books. See here: http://www.allbookstores.com/browse/Author/Bauer%2C%20Erwin This does not preclude the possibility of it being a martes martes but it seems more likely to me that it is actually a martes americana. I wouldn't be able to distinguish them by sight though. --ChrisRuvolo 18:22, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Since the evidence for it being a photo an American marten is stacking up, and there probably aren't too many people floating around Wikipedia qualified to determine which exact species it is; I'll go ahead and remove it from the article. Thanks for bringing this up. --CairoCai 19:55, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I just took a look at the image. It is certainly an American marten: American martens have short black lines rising up their faces from the inside corners of their eyes, while Eurasian martens do not. A more subtle difference is that the cream-colored bib is much more pronounced in Eurasian martens. 68.42.71.192 19:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Copying this discussion to Image_talk:Pinemarten.jpg. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nokia?

The animal is called NÄÄTÄ, not "Nokia" in Finland and also unlike the link to the Wikipedias Nokia article and its "trivia section" claims, this animal is not exticnt but spread across whole nation minus some areas it cant physicly access like like islands and theres tens of thousands of them.

[edit] Size / Weight?

"It's around the size of a domestic cat. Its body is up to 53 cm in length, its bushy tail can be 25 cm. Males are slightly larger than females; on average a marten weighs around one and a half kilograms. "

This is confusing. The average weight of the household cat varies from 6 to 10 pounds. (2.7 - 4.5 kg). If it's the size of a domestic cat it's unlikely to weigh 1.5 kg. Mjb10000 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is this the worst wikipedia page ever?

Ok, no specific information about habitat and range, (well wooded? what area is badly or mediocrely wooded? does it have a preference for any type of tree? perhaps pine? does it overlap with the beech marten?) a lot of information only relevant to uk, unnecessary trivia section, no information about relationships with other martens, nasty mess.

[edit] Range map

Is wrong. Pine martens are also found in the UK. -- 195.92.40.49 18:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

And in Ireland!--Dub8lad1 (talk) 13:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

And in most of Finland, not just Lapland. 84.249.200.160 (talk) 12:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can we please domesticate these soon?

They're just too cute! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 04:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC).