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Contents 1 Factual Error 2 Pillai and Menon 3 Groupism i.e., Caste origin 3.1 Subdivision origin 4 Reference given: Isai Vellala are a section of Sengunthar/ Kaikolar

[edit] Factual Error

In the Pillai it has been stated that Vellalas in Kerala are considered part of the Nair community. This is a mischievous atatement and bending facts to suit somebody's selfish motives. Vellalas are very much an separate entity and do not need to survive in the identity of a separate caste. Stop this deplorable practise of absorption of communities. The Vellala community are very much thriving and doing very well, thank you. In the official records of all the community members including me, the caste name would be given as Vellala and NOT NAIR. Non-Brahmin Forward caste in Kerala does not mean Nair. Sujith

sir i want to add following useful links pls permit

• www.saivaneri.org
• en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champakaraman_Pillai

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pasug (talk • contribs) 04:27, 12 June 2007

The first is currently empty. I have added the second in Pillai#Some prominent Pillais. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pillai and Menon

I have removed following content. Pillai of Travancore is a counterpart of the Cochin title of Menon.

I think pillai sect part of both Nairs and Vellalas there in Cochin.

Take the egs of PK Vasudevan nair. puthenpurakkal kesavan pillai vasudevan nair. Also Some CM of cochin was a nair pilla.. like discuss manu comment Tn pillai 07:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

That Pillai was a counterpart of Menon is fact mentioned in the Travancore State Manual. Before the late 19th century Pillais (Nair Pillais) were confined only to Travancore just as Menons were not then found in Travancore. Manu

addtion on 22/04/08. The 'pilla' called is one among the nair community in south kerala and northern talukes of kanyakumari distict. It is believed that 52 families were brought from malabar orgin to travancore by travancore kings,gave them responsibility to keep the "gajana".They were called KARUVELATHU NAIR and Raja gave them the pattom,"PILLA".In othe nair csates the lady names ends with amma and other,while here even the lady name end with pilla.ex:Narayani pilla,bhavathy pilla, chembakakuttty pilla etc.It noticed the names in old stamp papers and brass vessels. Harikumar-Thickurichy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.152.206 (talk) 15:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Groupism i.e., Caste origin

The origin of groupism i.e., caste seems to have started with people trying to refer to themselves as one group. There was no divisions and sub divisions until different people started competing for the same resources and had to organize themselves into groups to improve their chances in competing.

[edit] Subdivision origin

Another reason for groupism came from the profession followed by the differnt groups. As people changed professions, they also had to change names to reflect those professions. However they needed to differentiate themselves from people who were already using those professional names. So as people took up farming they had to call themselves Vellala. However since other groups were using Vellala as title, different groups with additional names were created. Thus were created the various groups of Vellala.

Lathead 16:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference given: Isai Vellala are a section of Sengunthar/ Kaikolar

Union Territory of Pondicherry By Francis Cyril Antony, Pondicherry (India : Union Territory) snippet view: [1]

Quoted from book:

Isai Vellalas are none other than that section of Sengunthar Mudaliars or Kaikolars who were associated with the system of Devadasis Youonlylivetwice (talk) 15:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)