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[edit] Face first vertebreaker?

Someone added "face first vertebreaker". However, I've never heard of such a thing, and it didn't say who has used it. The description didn't sound like a type of piledriver, either—more like a kind of facebuster. — Gwalla | Talk 02:07, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dangerous moves

A recent edit added a claim that the piledriver is one of the most dangerous moves in wrestling. While I'd never claim that a piledriver is particularly safe, and there have been some injuries, I'm not sure that piledrivers are in general significantly more dangerous than any other slam to an experienced wrestler. Some piledrivers are certainly risky (the vertebreaker gives the recipient no opportunity to brace for impact or tuck his head), but even Paul Heyman can take a tombstone. — Gwalla | Talk 28 June 2005 20:07 (UTC)

[edit] Sunset Driver

Couldn't find it anywhere else on here, and thought this would be the best place for it considering the description at the top of the page. Feel free to move it/ point me to where it is already. 212.159.78.3 00:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen the move performed so I can't be sure, but judging by the section it's been put in (Back to Belly Piledrivers), should it not say that the opponent is held in a back to belly position, rather then belly to back? --Kiltman67 02:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I moved it there from the description i understood it to be like a normal Back to belly piledriver with the back of the attacker having belly of the opponent pushed up against it.. though i havent seen the move used so i cant say that my understanding of the description is correct. --- Paulley 13:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Now i read it through again i see you are right that part was in the wrong way round i didnt notice that bit before --- Paulley 13:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Tombstone" piledriver

The term "tombstone piledriver" goes back to the mid-1970's, at least--well before Mark Callaway ever started wrestling. You can hear Japanese announcers use that name when the move is used by Billy Robinson and the Dynamite Kid. Several issues of the Observer from the mid-to-late '80s use the term as well. PeteF3 22:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

ok i have changed the discription to show that. --- Paulley

Justin Credible was a kid barely out of grade school when the Undertaker was using the Tombstone. That needs to be changed. One might credit the Undertaker for the popularization of the "tombstone" name, though.

[edit] Banned piledriver??

Is there a grandfather clause for wrestlers like the Undertaker so they can use their piledriver? --Soopafred 21:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - the WWE allows wrestlers who they feel are experienced enough (i.e. The Undertaker) to still perform piledrivers. FireCrotchRIO 18:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The WWE also banned the shooting star press.76.110.82.251 20:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does being "disqualified" for this mean?

I'm not a wrestling fan, so I'm not familiar with how these things are usually described, but if the article talks about this move resulting in a "disqualification" and/or a "fine", is it still talking about kayfabe (that is, wrestlers are "being disqualified" for doing an "illegal" move) or is it talking about reality, i.e. the wrestler is genuinely disqualified for genuinely doing something illegal? Is every description along these lines supposed to be taken in the context of kayfabe? For that matter, is there a difference between an "actual" disqualification and a "story" disqualification? Are there separate sets of regulations for "actual" and "pretend" behavior? 82.95.254.249 18:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

It's all story DQ... DQ if the referee is looking and legal if he is not. Kayfabe all the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.30.186 (talk) 04:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Just to distinguish, anytime it's mentioned on-air, it's definitely kayfabe/storyline, but there can be actual repercussions for wrestlers who use moves they were told not to... Paul London was de-pushed and spent several weeks off TV doing house shows over the Shooting Star Press. WWE has chosen to avoid the piledriver and other difficult neck bumps due to the high injury count they racked up during the Attitude Era, and wrestler can be punished "in real life" for not adhering to policy.Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 17:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Variations of a Screw Driver

I was wondering if the Screw Driver could be modified by depending on the suplexes. For examples:

  • Full-Nelson Screw Driver (a full-nelson suplex into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Half-Nelson Screw Driver (a half-nelson suplex into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Tiger Screw Driver (a double underhook suplex into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Inverted Tiger Screw Driver (a Tiger suplex into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Tazz Screw Driver (a head and arm suplex into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Death Valley Screw Driver (a fireman's carry hold into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Fisherman's Screw Driver (a fisherman's suplex into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)
  • Death Valley Screw Driver (a fireman's carry hold into a sitdown belly-to-belly piledriver)

Importantly, the "screw driver" effect becomes successful when you try to attempt to do that suplex and then you apply into that piledriver. IMO, that was how the regular Screw Driver was applied by a Vertical Suplex position.

P.S.: A Screw Driver could be known as a Suplex Piledriver jlog3000 (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Thunder Driver types

The Fire Thunder Driver is to be technically known as a sitout cradle belly-to-belly piledriver. However, the Fire Thunder, which is the variation that Mr. Gannosuke performs is actually a 180-degree over the shoulder sitout belly-to-belly piledriver. jlog3000 (talk) 18:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Front Face Pancake a type or variation of a piledriver?

How do techically or generally called the Front Face Pancake? It appeared on the WWF No Mercy game for the Nintendo 64. jlog3000 (talk) 18:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

No. The Pancake is technically a facebuster that is executed from the standard piledriver position. Diamond Dallas Page used it extensively, so it was included in WCW/nWo Revenge and later carried over to the No Mercy moveset. It was actually made famous in the 80's by Col. DeBeers in the AWA. Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)