Talk:Pike Place Market

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[edit] Question about the original location

One editor has expressed the belief that the location currently operating at Pike Place Market is not the original Starbucks location, despite widespread belief to the contrary; please see the discussion at Talk:Seattle,_Washington#First_Starbucks_location:_contradictory. Postdlf 23:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:1st Starbucks location

The first Starbucks does not reside in the Pike Place Market but directly across the street from the Pike Place Market. I live here and shop here, I know this. 66.235.35.207 04:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The Pike Place Market does not consist of only one building, that building "across the street" is also considered a part of the modern Market. hateless 06:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

there is a link at the bottom of this article to the Pike Place Fish Market that is a redirect right back to this same article. it either need to be changed, an article created, or removed 99.131.7.91 —Preceding comment was added at 20:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pig Picture

The picture I deleted from the article showed a pig and labled it as the pike place market pig. The pig pictured was actually part of an art display of 50 pigs placed around the city, decorated by local artists. The pigs were later auctioned for charity. The pig in the picture was pike place market themed but is not the one displayed at the market. The one displayed at the market (which the art pigs were recreations of) is brass, and has no markings on it at all. It is also located on the ground in front of the market, in front of the fish market (where they throw the fish). 66.235.35.207 04:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Erroneous Claim as oldest continuously-running farmer's market

Pike's Place does not bear this distinction. Certainly Soulard Market in St. Louis is considerably older as it began operations in 1779. It stands to reason that very few things in Seattle are the "oldest" of any particular type or class since Seattle is on the West Coast and was settled much later than cities like Philadelphia or St. Louis. Pike's Place may have a terrific tradition, but it is not the oldest-running farmer's market in the U.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.186.115 (talk) 15:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Now says "one of the oldest" which is presumably true. - Jmabel | Talk 06:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Into the Night

Is this the location of the "Into the Night" video with Santana and Chad Kroeger? Just thought I recognized the sign.
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[edit] Moore Theatre

Why so much material here on the Moore Theatre? It has its own article, and unless I'm mistaken it is one block outside of the Market Historic District. - Jmabel | Talk 05:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering that too after I added the link. I'll clean it up this week or next. Lawrence § t/e 05:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Near-useless citations

Can anyone explain what is going on with the near-useless citations like "(1) Lange (2) Crowley (3) Wilma"? I even know Seattle history and historiography well enough to know who these are (Greg Lange, Walt Crowley, and David Wilma) but without saying what articles are referred to, these citations are pretty much useless. Unless someone can say what articles of theirs are being referenced, we should probably get rid of these and start over on building a citation apparatus. - Jmabel | Talk 06:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like this all came in with this edit over a year ago, with the edit summary "completed merge". Does anyone know what was merged? That might hold the key to making some sense of these citations. - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Aha! Going back a bit, one finds that there was a proposed merge from Pike Market, Seattle, Washington (now a redirect). And it had a large "bibliography" to which these refer, but which wasn't merged. So it shouldn't be too hard to sort this out. (Not that the citation approach in Pike Market, Seattle, Washington was pretty, but it looks like at least the material is there. It was largely the work of User:GoDot, who did some good work but had a very idiosyncratic approach to footnoting. - Jmabel | Talk 06:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Working on it. - Jmabel | Talk 18:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Fixed. Could probably be improved further (and certainly the article needs more citations) but at least now it is clear what is cited from where. - Jmabel | Talk 01:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More structural oddness

I'd be really inclined to integrate the material about Mark Tobey and Victor Steinbrueck entirely into the "history" section and get them out of the "people" section. Also, we should mention Tobey's book The World of the Market, absolutely fundamental in the movement to save the market. There is good material on all of this in Nard Jones book Seattle (Doubleday, 1972, ISBN 0385018754), p. 32–34. By the way, the plan the were facing down was called the Pike Place Project, and mayor Wes Uhlman was among its backers. We currently say (without a usable citation - see previous section of this talk page) "culminating in 1971 with 2 to 1 passage of a citizen initiative for protection and citizen oversight of the core Pike Place Market that has since largely protected the neighborhood"; I'm not saying that's wrong, because there apparrently was more than one related election, but Jones says that the Pike Place Project was defeated in spring 1971 only by a margin of 57,934 to 50,641, which is nowhere near 2 to 1. Was there another related vote in the same year? - Jmabel | Talk 06:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sol Amon

There is an awful lot about Sol Amon here, both in the "Major attractions" and "Notable people" sections. He is an important market vendor, but there have been many others (Joe Desimone leaps to mind). Any objection to moving this material down to just "Notable people" and cutting it a bit? At best, as an individual he is of only borderline encyclopedic notability. Yes, the city has "named a day" after him, but I bet not one Seattleite in 100 knows it. - Jmabel | Talk 01:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Acting Mayor Charles H Burnett

I am adding Charles H. Burnett Jr. who being President of the Seatttle City Council who as well as being a supporter Councillor Revelle in the initiative was filling in as the Acting Mayor of Seattle at the ribbon cutting on opening day.

Pike Place Market. Acting Mayor Charles H. Burnett proclaimed August 17, 1907 as Market ... http://www.abetterword.com/The%20First%20Days.pdf � —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.206.194 (talk) 01:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)