Talk:Pigs (Three Different Ones)

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The reference is also in another episode of South Park when Cartman is being babby-sitted by Shelly. He also says to her "Ha ha Charade you are"

I think the interpretation of the lyrics below is subjective and should be reworded to reflect that.

"The second verse, however, is an all out assault on then opposition leader Margaret Thatcher (who the band indirectly say they wish to shoot - 'Good fun with a hand gun'..."

That the band are stating in this line that they want to shoot someone is debatable.

Contents 1 first line 2 Rhythm guitar 3 This has nothing to do with Margaret 4 Bass solo 5 "Apparently" censored?!? Not apparent at all.

[edit] first line

Im not gonna edit the article, because i'm not sure, but I think that the first line is about callaghan, which was the prime minister during the making of the song. He was a bit corpulent (big man) and had trouble with the mining business (the references of mine in the song). He was defeated in the elections by tatcher (who was waiting to tak power: the bus stop). I think this is the correct vision of the first verse, which would make more sense than what the meaning is now, the meaning now are the dogs and not pigs.

[edit] Rhythm guitar

Is there any sources regarding Roger Waters playing rhythm guitar on this track? According to "The Pink Encyclopedia" Gilmour played all guitar parts. Floyd(Norway) 17:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Certainly Roger Waters played rythm guitar on "Sheep", That is very well sourced, even in interviews, but according to the pink floyd encyclopedia, the 3. edition, he does not play rythm guitar on this track.

[edit] This has nothing to do with Margaret

The information regarding "Pigs (Three different ones)" has been the subject of a lot of discussion, but I think comments regarding the second verse and Margaret Thatcher are certainly wrong. She did not come to power until 1979, and the album, released in 1977 was based on much earlier Floyd work. In 1977 Margaret Thatcher was a relative unknown. I have also heard that the third verse refers to Arthur Scargill, leader of the National Union of Mineworkers at the time ("Down in the pig mines") - But I'm not entirely sure, knowing Roger Waters' left wing persuasion. Having been a Floyd fan for many years, this is the one question I have never heard a convincing argument for. Anyone know any more? Rob Neal 82.10.180.198 18:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

When Roger Waters performed it at on his 1987 Radio Kaos tour i think he changed the lyrics slightly in order to encorporate prime minister Margaret Thatcher - Ummmagumma23 10:18 26 June 2007 (UTC).

Well Mike DeGagne of AMG is as good as a resource as anyone. He mentions this here. Doc Strange 17:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bass solo

Should there maybe be some mention in the article of the bass solos in this song? Cheers!! 67.8.205.97 (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry!! Forgot I wasn't signed in!! Cheers!! Ninety^wazup? ( r t ) ^{sign here!} 01:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Any comment? Ninety^wazup? ( r t ) ^{sign here!} 23:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Apparently" censored?!? Not apparent at all.

Apparently during this part of the song, some of the original words were, in fact, censored by the band or its management before the final mix was recorded for release. Consequently we do not hear the actual words that the group used to describe Mary Whitehouse in detail - just a few "grunting sounds" and the words previously mentioned.

It isn't at all apparent that any censorship was done. It's perfectly plausible that Roger Waters wanted a sequence of harsh breathing rather than actual words. Consider the non-word "lyrics" that would appear in "Not Now John" (for example, "Don't know what it is, but it fits on here like [mechanical hissing]"). Consider that Waters was doing "vocal effects" long before he dared to dream of being Pink Floyd's lead singer (That abrasive scraping sound in the intro of "Pow. R. Toc. H." comes from Roger's vocal cords!) Oh, and how could I forget, "Okay / Just a little pin-prick / There'll be no more [scream]", from "Comfortably Numb"?
Furthermore, who would have dared to censor the Floyd at this time of record-setting profitability?
The loud "YOU..." that comes after the heavy breathing is the beginning of the lyric "You got to stem the evil tide", not the conclusion of some censored insult.

I agree. I mean, if they left the word "fuck" uncensored earlier in the song, why would they censor this part? As well, if the band decided that they wanted those words left out before the release of the album, wouldn't they have simply re-recorded the vocal track to either include different words or simply not have anything sung in that part of the song?

I think that the paragraph should be removed, unless someone can find some sort of reliable citation for it. Cheers!!! Ninety^wazup? ( r t ) ^{sign here!} 04:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)