Talk:Pignut Hickory

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This article should state explicitly that it incorporates text from the public domain and the source. Ialso can't find the public domain disclosure statement on the Silvics manual, the location of this should also be noted, and a link to the original should be included. KP Botany 18:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I put the information in the edit summary as I find that a more secure and accurate pactice for the long-term. If you prefer using templates or something go ahead. This is really four degrees away from my main preoject so I doubt I will be editing the article and I encourage you to format it for your preference.--BirgitteSB 23:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes, that's a good idea. However, it should go in the article, too, so that the reader is not led to think this is original writing from Wikipedia. I cannot find the PD disclosure on this document, either. Could you post a link directly to the PC disclosure? Nice try at getting me to format it to my preferences, but I still haven't figured out how to even format a date yet on Wikipedia. I will ask one of the other botany folks to do it when you post the PD disclosure link, and they'll be glad to, as it's incredibly useful having this information and resource. Thanks for alerting us to this resource. KP Botany 23:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I ahve no idea what you mean by a PD disclosure link, and I am quite used to dealing with copyright issues. This is from Agriculture

Handbook 654 (Silvics of Forest Trees of the United States, 1965, revised: December 1990) and is work of the US Govt. printed at U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C. The Acknowledgements reads:

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This handbook is the result of a service wide project of Timber Management Research, Forest Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture. It is an expansion of "Silvics of Forest Trees of the United States," originally published in 1965, and supersedes that handbook. Individual papers contained in the two volumes of "Silvics of North America" were written by research foresters at U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service experiment stations and at several universities. Technical content was edited by Russell M. Burns, Silviculturist, and compilation and coordination of the project were by Russell M. Burns and Barbara H. Honkala, Botanist, of Timber Management Research, Washington, DC. Barbara Honkala revised the tree range maps and prepared lists of botanical, bird, and mammal names. Bums and Honkala prepared the glossary and the summary of shade tolerance classes, tree and flowering characteristics, type of seed germination, and order of soils on which trees most commonly grow. Robert L. Lyon, Entomologist, Arthur L. Schipper, and Charles S. Hodges, Jr., Pathologists, Forest Insect and Disease Research, Washington, DC, and Harold H. Burdsall, Jr., Mycologist, Process and Protection Research, Forest Products Laboratory, Madison, WI, reviewed and listed names of insects, mites, and organisms causing tree diseases. William G. Hauser, formerly of the Forest Service Permanent Image Collection, Washington, DC, assisted with the acquisition of photographs. Elbert L. Little, Jr., Dendrologist (retired), assisted in proofreading. During the last year and a half, the project was directed by Robert D. Wray, Leader, Information Services (retired), North Central Forest Experiment Station. Wray edited the final revisions and guided the book through the production and printing processes. The North Central Station also provided clerical and administrative support during the pre-publication process. Robert P. Schultz, Assistant Director for Research, Southern Forest Experiment Station, served as technical reviewer and advisor for the final revisions. The entire final proof was proofread under the direction of Mary Peterson and Barbara Winters, assisted by Gayla Conners, Rose Berg, Patricia Halter, Phyllis Moline, and Rita Ronning-all of the North Central Forest Experiment Station. Personnel from the various Forest Service Experiment Stations carefully monitored the final revision and review of the chapters emanating from their Stations. Notable among these were: Margaret Buchanan, Northeastern Station; Louise Foley, Southeastern Station; Carlow Lowe and Jody Jones, Southern Station; Robert Hamre and Wayne Shepperd, Rocky Mountain Station; Richard Klade, Intermountain Station; Martha Brookes, Pacific Northwest Station; and Sandra Young, Pacific Southwest Station.

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Everyone works for different USDA departments which means they work for the US federal goverment, so this work is not eligable for copyright according the the US Constituion.--BirgitteSB 00:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

PD=Public Domain. This should cover it, as the work was created as a project for the federal government. I will ask the other botany folks to simply create a template that can added to this and other pages with the reference and disclaimer rather than adding it to each one. It would have been fine, though, to just post a link to this, as the link is also needed for the template--I will find it, when I get a moment. Thanks. KP Botany 00:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I used the existing Template:USGovernment. I could see the case for one which is similar but has fields for title, publisher, date, etc (like Template:cite book or Template:cite web). Or I suppose we could just make one for the Silvics manual (I guess maybe that isn't so strange given that it might provide text for a lot of pages). Kingdon 07:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Kingdon, good work on the article. If you know how to make one, I think it would be a great idea. KP Botany 20:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)