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During the invasion of Ethiopia, isn't Badoglio responsible onlyfor using of chemical weapons (mustard gas or yperite (sp.?)) but also for bombings of Red Cross operated hospitals?

[edit] Requested move

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Pietro Badoglio, 1st Duke of Addis Abeba seems an unneccessarily complicated title for an article about by far the most important Pietro Badoglio. And indeed Pietro Badoglio already redirects here. (All other Wikipedias use the simple version of his name.) —Ian Spackman 14:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Are we also the only Wikipedia that has an article on Pietro Badoglio, 2nd Duke of Addis Abeba? It seems like some form of disambiguation is necessary. Dekimasuよ! 06:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Very likely we are—there’s no interwiki link on the page. I suppose there might be something on the Vietnamese wiki, as the second duke’s notability rests on having married an exiled Vietnamese princess and sired the third duke. (His article—except for a mistake which I’ll correct in a moment—is entirely based on part of a single paragraph of a page about the genealogy of the Nguyen Phuoc dynasty.)

Certainly we need disambiguation, and we already have it in a hat format on this page:

“Pietro Badoglio” redirects here. For other uses, see Pietro Badoglio (disambiguation).

That’s appropriate, I think, because ‘the’ Pietro Badoglio, by contrast, is the well-known Italian prime minister appointed after the fall of Mussolini and who signed the armistice with the Allies; his article will continue to have many more readers and many more incoming links. The natural ways to write those links will be Pietro Badoglio (which even the Duke of Addis Abeba article uses) or simply Badoglio. Both of those already redirect here. In terms of disambiguation it’s an Edward Heath situation, not a George Bush one. —Ian Spackman 08:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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This article has been renamed from Pietro Badoglio, 1st Duke of Addis Abeba to Pietro Badoglio as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 20:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd Duke of Addis Abeba

After his death in 1956, he was succeeded as Duke of Addis Abeba (Duca di Addis Abeba) by his grandson Pietro Badoglio, 2nd Duke of Addis Abeba, who married to Princess Phương Mai of Vietnam, a daughter of Emperor Bao Dai.

this paragraph (perhaps a vandalim) it doesn't make in any case sense because Italy after 1945 doesn't accept noble titles (undo) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.77.155.117 (talk) 05:55, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Balance

I find the balance of content in this article extremely unsatisfactory. To introduce Badoglio's career by saying he "was an Italian soldier, politician and alleged war criminal for the use of poison gas and systematically bombarding and strafing Red Cross hospitals and ambulances during the Ethiopia campaign. Due to post-war expediencies, however, he was never brought to justice" seems to miss several points entirely. That's 5 words about his military and political career, and 36 about his activities as a war criminal. The war criminal accusation is based entirely on one documentary source which is very short on facts and evidence. If this war criminal accusation is true, it needs to be strengthened with names, dates and places, and some evidence of Badoglio's involvement in the events.

It seems to me far more important to stress the facts that Badoglio was one of Italy's most senior military figures during the Second World War, despite his doubts about Italy's strategic capabilities, and that he became Prime Minister after the downfall of Mussolini. Badoglio's role in the inexplicable two months delay between July and September 1943, when Italy's future role in the war remained ambivalent while Germany rushed troops south to fortify the Italian peninsula, is the most fascinating thing about his career. Whatever the reasons for his failure to act decisively, Badoglio's inaction condemned Italy to suffer another twenty months of grinding war. This article in its present form barely mentions those events. Peter Bell (talk) 00:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I think whoever wrote this must have been a drunk or something. It doesn't even mention the most significant role he had... as Prime Minister of Italy. - Gennarous (talk) 17:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)