Talk:Piers Gaveston, 1st Earl of Cornwall

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[edit] Tentative rewrite

I found parts of this article difficult to understand: the prose was lumpy. I've attempted to make it more readable, but this is not a subject of which I have any knowledge, and it's possible that I've misunderstood something. You're welcome to look in the History to compare my rewrite with what came before, and to fix where appropriate. -- Hoary 05:25, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)


Where exactly does the Edward I quote come from. I have a very hard time believing anybody was actually around to record that quote.

Yah. "You wretched son of a whore!" cried King Edward. "Do you want to give away lands now? You who have never gained any? As God lives, if not for fear of breaking up the kingdom, I would never let you enjoy your inheritance!" Sounds like a Sunday night costume drama; not a text book.

It is not likely accurate. Of all the things that Longshanks would, might have, or did call his son-- and undoubtely they were many and vehement-- 'son of a whore' is not one of them. He would be, after all, referring to Eleanor of Castile.

As suggested, I've cut the worst of the opinions, and got rid of the fanciful dialogue. The article still needs some headings and sources, and I suspect that I can see some factual errors, but I'm not an expert on Gaveston. That said, I loved the comedy drama bit the OP put in.Endie 09:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I am curious as to why no mention was made of the homosexuality of Gaveston,presumed,fictional or otherwise.I am surprised that no mention is made of Derek Jarmans film Edward II.

[edit] Location of beheading

The article is wrong to claim Gaveston was beheaded in Kenilworth. He was executed on Blacklow Hill in Warwick - a monument stands there to comemorate this.

http://www.search.windowsonwarwickshire.org.uk/engine/theme/default.asp?theme=1573&text=0 Steve-g 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lover, not "alleged" Lover

I find it strangely disappointing that, after seven centuries of people recognizing that Piers Gaveston had a homosexual relationship with King Edward II, our Bible-thumping, Dark-Age Wikipedians now find it necessary to sweep this bit of history under the rug.

No, it is central to the story and cannot be denied. Piers was executed at least in part for being gay. Denying this is like denying the Holocaust.68.211.77.10 07:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which Roger Mortimer?

The reference to Roger Mortimer of Wigmore does not appear accurate. Gaveston was born after Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was dead. Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was succeeded by his son Edmund of Mortimer who died in 1304. Edmund was succeeded by his son Roger Mortimer who deposed and murdered Edward II.

This text moved here from the article, where it was added at 13:13, July 7, 2007 (UTC) by 68.33.15.166.  --Lambiam 15:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Earl of Pembroke and University of Oxford

Firstly, who was the earl of Pembroke at the time?

Secondly, why did he appeal to the University of Oxford? What kind of help did he hope to receive?

Top.Squark (talk) 21:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, Aymer de Valence, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, as it says in the article.
Secondly, at a guess, because they were in Oxford at the time. Cheers, Lindsay (talk) 06:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)