Talk:Pierre Gilliard
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Several questions exist with respect to the dates. Sokolov left Siberia for France aboard a French ship, so Gilliard did not work with him there for three years. Gilliard lived in Paris probably in the same buiding as Sokolov, and may have been married to his wife at that time, although the date and location of his marriage are often given as 1922 in Switzerland where they clearly lived for the rest of his life. 74.139.195.138 02:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC) T G Bolen
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The current article is very POV re Pierre Gilliard and Anna Anderson. The vast majority of references used are by Peter Kurth, a lifelong supporter of Anderson and not a true reflection at all of the opinions of Gilliard and his wife about Anderson. Gilliard in fact fought Anderson as an imposter for most of his life. He knew the real Grand Duchess Anastasia extremely well over many years, unlike Peter Kurth who never met the real Grand Duchess. Kurth only met the imposter Anderson who has been genetically proven to have no connection whatsoever with the Romanov family. Finneganw 08:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Also referenced are Gilliard's own books and Robert K. Massie's. It is not a biased portrayal. If you would like to add further references, perhaps from Gilliard's False Anastasia or from his book about the family, go ahead. I didn't because this article is about Gilliard and most of the books I found by him were about the Imperial family rather than about Gilliard himself or his own background. I'd love for someone to add info from a biography about Gilliard himself. His personal background and life after World War I needs to be fleshed out. Kurth's and King's books are the only ones I could find that gave any information about what he did after the war, but they included the information about Anna Anderson because that's the subject of their books. Nonetheless, I am comfortable that the article itself is not POV. I have removed your tag. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 15:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
- As I said above, Kurth's book is a valid, published reference. The claims in the article are sourced. If you would like to add additional references about Gilliard from his books or from a biography of him, it would add greatly to the article, but I do not agree that it is POV as currently written and do not agree to the tag you have placed on the article. I have, therefore, removed it. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 14:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Also referenced are Gilliard's own books and Robert K. Massie's. It is not a biased portrayal. If you would like to add further references, perhaps from Gilliard's False Anastasia or from his book about the family, go ahead. I didn't because this article is about Gilliard and most of the books I found by him were about the Imperial family rather than about Gilliard himself or his own background. I'd love for someone to add info from a biography about Gilliard himself. His personal background and life after World War I needs to be fleshed out. Kurth's and King's books are the only ones I could find that gave any information about what he did after the war, but they included the information about Anna Anderson because that's the subject of their books. Nonetheless, I am comfortable that the article itself is not POV. I have removed your tag. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 15:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Your opinions Bookworm are well-known about Peter Kurth. He is an avid Anna Anderson supporter and as such is extremely POV. An article about Pierre Gilliard for wikipedia needs to be objective and sourced with primary source information and not second hand POV allegations not found elsewhere. Sadly Kurth is unable to be objective. His POV rants are well recorded on the Anna Anderson discussion page. The article on Gilliard is supposed to be about Gilliard and not Kurth's biased allegations. Please do not expect an article about Gilliard to be taken seriously on wikipedia if the majority of sources are from Kurth. Please do not remove the tag. Finneganw 13:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Again, I have removed the tag for the reasons I described above. If you want to add more quotes about Gilliard, by all means do so. It can only improve the article. I can't find any more biographical information about Gilliard's life following the war, but maybe some of your books have such information. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
